Yeah and how may are sick of CAS ruining their game? you assuming they all Love CAS? How many players have left the game because of it never to return? Got the figure there? This was a big main debate on the old forum and still is on this one.
Any poll or survey only covers a tiny fraction of the population even the biggest but it works in terms of being proportional. So if 10 people in 100 hundred are surveyed you times that against the entire population and work out a perceived average. That’s how it works so if 25 % of the forum want TO then its safe to assume 25% of all WT’s players want it.
Makes me laugh when the kids go " that’s just your opinion" like I am the only person on the planet with that opinion.Every time I look at this forum its a new user complaining about CAS.
No you are going against what you know to be true.You are not stupid and you have been around and you how deep this feeling runs and how long its been one of the game forums longstanding issues but what puzzles me is why you are so scared of TO.
DU on the M1 is a new moan but Maps,Spawncamping and CAS ruining the game have been the central gripe on this forum for years and well you know it.TO request posts are up there with ODL.
I was just a few people requesting a naval mode at one point …seem familiar. Did you jump on and attack those who wanted navy too? So it’s official? No more game modes…ever,better tell Anton as he seems to be proud of his new game modes.He said so in an interview.
Entirely irrelevant as they don’t vocalize whatever issues they perceive.
No, it doesn’t work like that. The population split between forum and non-forum users is far, far too wide so no polls taken on the forum can provide anything of valid estimation.
What I know to be true is that an extremely niche’ and statistically insignificant percentage of WT players have been throwing petulant tantrums in the forums for the last close to 7 years because they died to aircraft and that rather than learning to use SPAA or aircraft they rather continue to throw tantrums and demand a mode be made specifically for them.
Additionally the issues with maps, CAS and spawncamping are not mutually exclusive.
Boats have been in the War Thunder logo for awhile before Naval showed up as a mode, including the April Fool’s event way back with the galleons. Anyone with common sense understood that naval would eventually be added to the game, so trying to bring it up is a moot point and completely separate from what is currently being discussed. Stay on topic; don’t move goalposts.
Charming. Not everything is about you, just to clarify that simple fact. There are people advertising an additional game-mode for gound-vehicles without airplanes.
Of course it works like that.How do you suggest TV companies get viewing figures for TV shows? They ask every one in the USA what they watched? like 27 million people surveyed? They peek though your window to see for themselves what you are watching lol? They sample a few and take an average from it.End of.That argument about only a few being on the forum is moot. Killed. Dead.Big issues with CAS on this forum,Steam,Reddit,Quora etc you name it .
No only person tantruming is you buddy. So what do you know? You know the same as me.The forum is overrun with anti cas posts to such a degree that Stona runs around shutting them all .You see it ,I see it.
You spent all that time thinking of a comeback and you have nothing .
Ok a chance to redeem yourself.You tell me how you playing combined arms and me playing TO is bad and how me playing TO effects you but you playing Combined Arms does not bother me in the least?
I hate Arcade with a passion,do I care that many love it? No.I dont think I ever touched sim or played more than a handful of navy games.WT above 6BR sucks balls as far as I am concerned but many love top tier so good luck to them.So go ahead tell me why you can do combined arms and others cant do TO.
You don’t say! And here I thought I was Gaijin’s CEO!
Sarcasm, obviously.
It’s not about me nor is it about the petulant children demanding a TO mode. Gaijin doesn’t give a damn to even model vehicles correctly, so what makes you think they care about the autistic screeching of a statistically insignificant portion of the playerbase?
I’ll answer it easily for you; they don’t. Nor should they in this context.
Actually they pull those numbers from cable companies that can track the number of viewers from customers that are actively subscribed to their service. I figured you’d know that but I guess not. Anyways, you’re objectively wrong.
Now you’re just projecting and wasting my time with a word salad that isn’t worth even the time spent glossing over it.
You’ve made it clear you’ve run out of steam here, so I’ll leave you to hold your L on this discussion. Maybe we can try again later but for now, you’ve lost and I’m bored.
All equates to no answers bro.Ironic on a thread about why CAS players vocally oppose any suggestions and you cant give an answer as to why you oppose the suggestion.
Sad to see the above return to asking a fellow player the questions a player can only guess rather than to the people that can, in context to TO itself and not this topic.
Check reply 2 and it might explain why there are some against the Suggestion, and for others like me not “getting on board”. Neither of which have ever mattered since, again, we are not the Devs.
The only ones missing out are those wanting something not currently here. So people can keep making their own asks swim in a circle.
But I see again it is all there to make fun of one another and confirming for me again many are not really serious about the Suggestion.
This is true (apart from the vote option to remove CAS entirely, which is in the Suggestion topic about TO, there had been no definitive Suggestion) but that is not what he said. Being against complaints they are referring to =/= people talking about a TO. This is where “arguments” talk past one another.
Unless he does think TO added means removal of GFRB current, but he would have to answer himself (and he would be misinformed).
If you are referring to my discussion with GNDM Panzer I would say first that historically and generally we are on the same page.Both quite honest and direct ,maybe too much for some people sometimes.All boils down to why we cant have both TO and traditional GRB at the same time though and I got no answer there.I feel in a game like Warthunder that land units are big enough to warrant their own game as are aircraft.I do feel that its been long established that a separate TO as a partner not a replacement for combined arms is what is being asked for and as far as I was concerned GNDM Panzer was well aware of that stance.
However I might be wrong in that assumption but it is reoccurring all over the thread and in the past few posts as well.
Here’s the thing about wanting it as a separate mode, is that Gaijin would have to implement at minimum 3 different TO modes: Arcade, Realistic and Sim - Same for every other mode type. That means those modes would have to have the map, BR and other issues addressed accordingly.
That’s a lot of work for a niche’ percentage of the playerbase that wants to exclusively split away from the rest of the game into their own queues. A lot of development time and server money for a non-existent ROI that objectively speaking, wouldn’t be worth it. If it was, Gaijin would’ve done it already but they didn’t because that even that on a whim event alone provided no ROI.
At the end of the day, Gaijin is a business and money talks. The TO Demanders have never done anything at all that has put Gaijin under the impression that catering to them would provide a worthwhile ROI.
OK good point.We do however have other game introduced such as the sci fi games Gaijin do occasinaly like the Arrakis thing or the Mad Max type game.I bet they take much more work for less long term gain.They also fragment the player base as much as any TO would yet still Gajin implement them so I guess that is all taken care of.
Another fair point.
No real way of knowing just how many have bailed from this game over the years as a result of CAS induced frustration that might come back upon hearing the good news or how many players would creep in from the other game if CAS was removed.I think the introduction of a no CAS mode would be a very big deal across the gaming community and WT fans as a whole.Due to travel I spend too much time on the net reading rubbish about games and belive me all I see relating to War Thunder is the CAS moan.Kind of sick of it myself If I am honest and you know what ,maybe the TO only mode would be S**t lol.
If it was and lasted two weeks that would bury the idea deeper than Anton’s pockets.We have no idea of the numbers ,the current vote on here is in favour of a TO mode and as you said we have no feedback from the non forum players.We do see them on other forums though such as Reddit and steam.
Certainly does as far as I am concerned and that is why I would be rolling out TO only premium products such as the kind of vehicles best not advised when CAS is around.I would take the opportunity to implement things into the game that CAS can no longer break and make TO a feature assuming the game will allow it.I said this in my suggestion to the devs.
SPAA is rarely if ever premium ,if at all and the amount of dedicated premium CAS is not that much so Gaijin losing money from CAS premiums is minimal.What I use for CAS many use for ARB anyway.
I think TO would see a return of players who quit in a CAS rage and steal players from the nearest rival.
When WT does the tank game so much better ever wonder why World of ***** even exists when Warthunder is about ? What stops everyone migrating? Go onto the web and do some digging and you will soon find the answer.“I would move to WT tomorrow if not for those damn planes”.
It’s everywhere.
Imagine if they all did migrate? And you talk about niches and small numbers.
The rival that we dare not speak of are turning over millions,you can Google that yourself.If WT got 25% of that revenue then its a win win.
Everything including this game started with one man’s(or womans) Idea.So nobody needs to be offended by a few fans suggesting taking the planes out of WT.
Like taking the sugar out of Coke and calling it Diet Coke.How can you have Coca Cola with out sugar(or without Cocaine lol) ?
Take CAS away and an entire nation is ruined lol. Being 1-2 brs behind in firepower and armor in exchange for reload speed and turret rotation means you need CAS to deal with IS series tanks or things like Jagdtigers.