They don’t mind CAS because every match is like this for them.
Since when has putting forward ones opinion of what might become an issue taken as rejection of changes/the change?
You can always add to it as I made an interesting observation, as part of a *discussion".
Or just pretend it is the same as saying there should be no changes in current GFRB regarding aircraft.
Edit: Not sure how you know they support a TO or not.
So the opinion that something won’t solve the problem (that a person who created the suggestion talks about) shouldn’t be called a rejection of changes/the change either ;).
I know. Well over 5 years of this noise and these TO Demanders have as little to show for it now as they did back then.
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Because you conflate the Balance of CAS (not about TO) topic with the Tank Only topic (About TO). You just do not understand the difference in context. If only you would do something than create pointless arguments, always distracting from any chance of discussion or just avoiding discussion altogether.
At least the quality of new topics on TO have improved.
But this is about “If people are complaining about CAS in their games, and you’re tired of the complaints why don’t you support them to have their own version of the game?” with the title asking “Why do CAS players so vocally oppose any suggestions”.
And yet again the reality appears to be very different and proven by this pointless exchange by you creating false equivalence.
If only you spent more energy on honestly asking for a TO mode, the whole crux of this “issue”. Or will you skip past the rational reply given by Morvran_ and the point of view shared by many.
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The discussion resolves around changes that would ‘repair’ the balance and I just point out that as long as there are people who just want to play tanks, the said changes won’t make much difference. As I have said many times changes could be made (even proposed some) after the said ‘problem’ of people who just want to play tanks is taken care of.
As I haven’t really seen anyone who says that they want TO and is against any changes in GFRB:
I would love to see some examples of that. Because mostly people just point out that the changes proposed won’t change the problem for them not that they are totally against the idea ;).
It is quite simple really:
Those whose solution is “Want TO” is not relevant to “Rebalancing CAS”. If “it won’t change the problem” then they are in the wrong thread and their points are better off in the TO thread. Chiming in that it does not “solve it for them” is because that topic is not for them, hence we have more than one topic on the forum. Using the correct one helps wasting time, yes?
Those whose solution is “Want TO” is relevant and encouraged in “Poll for TO” (Official TO thread).
I really do not understand why this is difficult for you unless you are just being intentionally difficult. Which I presume you are since it is quite a simple concept that you yourself seem to understand when you help redirect people to the correct topics (sometimes).
So I am curious as to why you believe my comment regarding a 4 or 2 aircraft limit per side is opposing anything, since it is clearly there to open up the discussion of how such a thing could be implemented or work, and what other issues it might cause.
Whereby going to a thread that is focusing on the current GFRB, which is for people wanting to play GFRB as it is (Combined), and coming from a TO want is unhelpful and irrelevant. You don’t want current GFRB if there was TO and will not effect you. But there will be no TO if TO advocates can’t actually do something positive, unlike Richardtheguy who managed it very quickly considering how long you have been involved in discussions.
But you know this and just play the fool, so good luck pretending you want a TO (never action, just a comment to the Devs in a random survey).
Sorry but You are the one who is difficult here.
Most of the ‘suggestions’ are coming from the people who just want to play tanks in GF RBs mode as for people who like the combined part, don’t see the problem (see the comments about spawning SPAAs or air). So by the said solutions mostly won’t be needed if TO gets added.
Not to mention people who openly say that they suggest ‘things’ that would ‘stop’ any need for TO, while people who like combined part of the game don’t see it that way.
As said, there is no point in suggesting changes that are for people who just want to play tanks in GF RBs as there will be a place for them.
And again,
As example I ask for something like a quote. Again, just saying that suggestion won’t solve the problem for some people doesn’t mean that someone is against suggestions ;).
We can go all around about making suggestions to balance the CAS/air in GF RBs mode for people who don’t enjoy it but there is no point in doing so if:
a) There would be a place for that people.
b) There are people who like current state of things.
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Where? You replied to me trying to compare two different types of comment, which you have failed to substantiate.
No evidence for that it appears? Certain TO advocates trying to derail other threads? Yes I see that. Even trying to stat-shame Games Masters who don’t fall for your bait.
So far in the Balance thread we have post 141 and post 226 (500 more to trawl through but forum time over). I see little support for changes by yourself, your opinion just making a new mode would result in x,y,z is just your opinion, yes? Not fact. You just push the “if TO exists no balance is needed” claims (which is a guess, yes?).
Yet you do nothing to get a TO (apart from one random survey question, is that right?). The dead thread hardly anyone uses, including yourself.
And now you have just made the quote you asked for, with the other examples in said topic (Balance).
So your opinion is that there is no point rebalancing CAS (as I said people had referenced) “for people who don’t enjoy it” and “those that like it exactly like it is”. Well, there are more than two groups aren’t there? And why should these two limited groups dictate the conversations? So I will say there is a point in doing so because your scenario (the two groups) is extremely narrow.
Again, where am I being difficult?
Pointing out the different topics?
Pointing to your example being spurious?
Then still not actually explaining yourself as to why “there is not point making Suggestions” (yes, I see your narrow perspective on just those solely wanting TO in RB) is the same as “I think limiting planes to 2- per side might possibly cause other issues, discuss”. Which is why you replied to ME.
And ALL this to avoid moving the TO topic forward. So why do TO advocates so vocally oppose any suggestions?
I still am not seeing “CAS players so vocally oppose[d] to any suggestions [TO mode being the OP subject though not in title]”. A few have said why they don’t like the idea for their own reasons, but since no Suggestion has ever been made it is hard to separate those purely discussing the “details” from those possibly completely against the idea. And then those against the idea come from multiple angles; some being just against the idea in general and those from the point of view of theorising why splitting modes might be detriment to the game, since Gaijin won’t answer/no one asks Gaijin directly/no one takes on board Gaijin gives.
It is not my fault you do not know what “Balance CAS” thread is for and who it is for, and what this current thread is for, and what the TO main topic (forgotten as people supporting TO fail to support the topic = shows Gaijin what the situation is with niche wants I presume) is for and who it is for.
So no, I do not see how I am being difficult but your failure to do much positive (C+F topic, yet fail to produce the C+F topic that involves anti-CAS, a better choice to make if “you see planes as a problem” and want to do something about it. I think that is the sum of it?) and literally saying "for x people (not relevant discussions) Suggestions won’t change it for them.
And back you hinting that you are “vocally opposing any Suggestions” because it does not sate every “group” of players…
But we know you are not serious or else you would not be so awkward. Game is not just for players who ONLY want to see tanks, it is just a reality. So those TO advocates do nothing but worsen the current mode out of some odd spite! Well done, I see all those other players bowling in to support your non-Suggestions.
There is a point to Suggesting changes and Suggesting new wants/needs, it just is not going to keep EVERYONE happy. No Shit Sherlock! No one is asking for the Ultimate solution to please ALL players of WT.
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You mean suggestions about limiting the number of aircraft or making them harder to spawn because they want to play tanks more? I have seen many like that.
So now comparing what people have said with their actual stats is stat-shaming, lmao. We should allow anyone to state anything without the need to look it up!
So no quote?
This has nothing to do with the quote I have asked for.
Is it really that hard to read?
Most of the changes proposed are because there are people who just want to play tanks.
Again because You still fail to understand a simple thing:
If solution is made because there are people who enjoy just playing tanks in RB, there is no real point for them as:
- It is just better to give a place for people who just want to play tanks.
- The said change can destroy the fun people who like current state of things have.
I don’t oppose suggestions to the current gamemode that are for the current gamemode and for people who enjoy combined aspect of the game.
I oppose suggestions that are trying to solve the problem of people who just want to play tanks by destroying the fun for others and not really changing anything.
Have I seen CAS players oppose the suggestion of TO? Of course I have.
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No. Your opinion.
No. I explained your statement clearly.
Please explain.
Yes, at least two, you just have to go to those post numbers.
No evidence seen for this, at all. If people want to just play tanks they need to use the right topic. Oddly I am the one correctly pointing these out.
That is illogical and already explained. That topic is not for them as it is not about TO, which they mainly avoid. As do you. Why is this?
I have linked the topics many times. The Balance CAS thread is NOT regarding TO or people who solely want TO. It is NOT a TO topic. So your opposition is noted and irrelevant.
Link the Suggestion then. Then link direct responses to this Suggestion. We have one discussion with a poll with no official Suggestion.
Yes, I have seen players question the idea of TO too, but none in regards to a Suggestion. Without a Suggestion there can be no opposition.
Now, if Gaijin announce that they will be adding TO tomorrow and players say so to their decision then yes, they would be players opposing the Suggestion. But we are at the same plavce as 2018 due to a refusal to do anything about it.
Again, have the decency to explain how talking about limits of CAS/aircraft is denying a Suggestion. You have constantly avoided answering to your initial reply to my comment in regards to this and so it would be appropriate for you to apologise for your lies/deception. All because you seem to believe TO has anything to do with a discussion on altering the mode we do have in WT (not this topic as it relates directly to TO and a fantasy Suggestion no human has seen).
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If only players knew the difference between the TO topic and the rebalance GFRB topic! Seems ULQ_LOVER is as confused as all the TO thread spammers. I’ve bumped it mulitple times so clearly the want for TO is not serious.
Or more bloviated rubbish from ULQ_LOVER, let us see…
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I missed this part. Yes you tried to shame someone due to your conflation of efficiency and effectiveness. That argumentation has been put to bed . The issue with statistics being used poorly is broken down enough for most to understand.
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He always has been a flagrant derailer and goalpost mover. His attitude has never changed.
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No shit! As, beyond Gaijin, he has been a main barrier to a TO it all becomes farcical. No sensible discussion is allowed as they have on the whole proven.
Believing the CAS balance thread is there to appease TO advocates is just odd. Why would TO advocates who do not like GFRB (as combined) care about a mode not for them?? Surely their energy is best spent asking Gaijin and getting others to support them (rather than never properly asking Gaijin and slagging off all plane users (except themselves when they use aircraft… wtf))
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Are we going go back and forth because You can’t read what people write in this topics?
You haven’t explained anything, You just don’t understand what I write and where the problem is.
Nothing to explain here, just what I have wrote.
So again nothing provided, I’m not even surprised.
Just read the topic then.
This is logical. The illogical thing is asking for changes that would suit only people wanting to play tanks more while simultaneously having the suggestion of TO (not to mention the changes wouldn’t solve the issue).
Topic is regarding the mode and changes are to the things that people dislike because mostly they can’t be doing what they like. No one avoids anything.
Congrats?
TO would solve many problems of the balance in current gamemode as people playing it would be people who enjoy combined aspect of the game.
The imbalanced exists in first place because people who just want to play tanks have no place to do it.
If we are going to talk now that suggestion is a post made in a ‘suggestion’ section as a new post, then no one was really against any suggestion.
If only You understood the core of the balance of the air problem!
You are the one making multiple comments rather than one.
Again, if someone says that vechicle ‘x’ is effective against vechicle ‘y’ he should be able to prove it in one way or another. If his stats contradict that statment then well, he is just simply lying.
Now if one supports the idea of TO he can’t like GFRB mode!
Spam more nonsense and then cry that the topic have been spammed, can’t wait. Like the guy who You are responding to and is known for a ‘special’ behaviour.
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Him and the rest of the TO demander crowd still to this day have failed to answer any of the questions that have been asked about the other aspects of the game that would need adjustment without CAS in the equation.
That’s always been the FIRST hurdle and they’ve never been able to get over that. They always have just immediately resorted to throwing insults, derailing and moving goalposts.
For the last 5+ years it’s all just been petulant child behavior from the TO crowd. It’s precisely why nobody, especially Gaijin, refuses to take them seriously nor even acknowledge them. They don’t deserve to be acknowledged, either. We already have tank only games on the market, and War Thunder IS NOT one of them.
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All was answered, You just kept not understanding it and resolving to things that are just a skill issue.
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Oh well, only they miss out. Up to them to do something about it.
6 years and counting 🥳
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Sure, CAS is bloody annoying sometimes. Especially Kamovs.
That said, I wouldn’t ever advocate for removal from the game mode.
I keep playing this game despite my immense frustration with it because I like the combined arms gameplay. Yes, it needs honing and adjustment, but I like it nonetheless.
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