You’re ‘vocally opposed’ to suggestions too!
Seriously…the vitriol is all so one-sided that it’s embarrassing: TO advocates have done more damage to the TO cause than any opposition ever could have.
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I agree that it could be added, but i know that it won’t be added.
As said earlier, Gaijin sees no interest in such TO mode,… it have been tested through some events in 2015/2016 → since then the Gaijin answers got from “maybe” to “never”
Sooo,… “don’t high-up your expectations”, is my advice ^^"
Ground RB is combined arms
The pantsir is the only spaa capable dealing against CAS below 11.7. Every jet above 11.7 is deadly then Pantsir. Imagine one squad with Pantsir is enough to dealing against any CAS attack without figther jet around. You have people who got shot by Pantsir while playing CAS.
SE is bribed with cookies.
More of being neutral. I just won’t complain or whine or cry about CAS being OP as I have every tool available to deal with them. Will I fail sometimes, yea, will I succeed sometimes, yea. Do I think we need TO cuz CAS op, no, however I do believe it needs some balancing out with SP cost. Do I play WT GRB just to play tanks with no plane or SPAA, sometimes if I’m in the mood for just 1 tank/1 plane. Will that hurt my team, definitely will if i do bad or get unlucky and pull a ODL lol
Ex:
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Yes;
By design
By marketing
By authorized vehicule in gamemode
By descritpion of gamemode that can be found in-game
But some still thinks name is reliant ^^"
(Still a plane,… not our problem if TO players are unable to hear a plane, or even spot it when it’s in their ass ^^")
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They’d still fine someway to complain that CAS was OP and that there was no way to counter it :D
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Please don’t make me laugh that hard ^^"
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Which reminds me:
CAS can never be defeated by tanks:
(uploading now, should be up in a sec)
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Should I post bad air players too?
Sure, just proof that CAS is only good when used by skilled people and that CAS isn’t defacto “low skill”
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It doesn’t disprove that it is low skil as You can show tankers going alt+tabed
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People are frustrated, rightfully so. CAS is overpowered in a PvP game, realistic or not (this game is not realistic, I fix my entire gun barrel and engien in 20 seconds) it needs balance.
Essentials:
Different BR for Aircraft in GRB than in ARB. Balance for CAS fairness.
Removal of all 1000lbs+ 500KG+ bombs and the S-250 rocket from Su-25. All of the weapons with enormous blast radius that requre essentially no precision to get kills. They should use guided missiles (takes some effort), or small rocekts (again, effort). Dying to a 3000LBS bomb that hit “the general area” around my IFV/Light tank or even MBT at close distance, is tireseom and unfair. C
I do not want a ground only mode. I like the airborne threat vector as I enjoy SPAA gameplay. But as it stands, Ground Pounders are ruining GRB and the “meta” high yield bombs and Su-25/S-250 spam is intolerable now.
Also, Attack Drones gotta go. There is zero gameplay behind those. it’s literally spawn, left click, free kills. Or spawn, left click, die to pantsir/Roland/whatever. it’s too slow to dodge, it’s too big to hide, it has zero fundamental gameplay behind it and dying to one is frustrating as a “tryhard” can be rewarded with more free kills, ultimately getting his 10+ kill streak with 80% activity in a plane, getting a nuke and winning Ground Battles single-handedly without touching an MBT.
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Some CAS players fly with A LOT of skill and they dominate SPAA/Pantsir-S1 etc. Those pilots put effort into their kills and I am generally OK with that. They fly low, fast and under my radar. This is fine. That is gameplay and it’s cool to see the jets come low.
Orbital Strikes with Paveways, Su-25 with 8 250 rockets and ATGM drones need to be removed from GRB entirely. Lets be reasonable. 3000LBS+ bombs on F-111 that can kill 4-5 players without even needing to hit them at all, is not a skilled attack. Many times, I see the pilot nose dive into the nearest tree 3 femtoseconds after dropping his 3000LBS bomb and getting 5-6+ kills. he then spawns another plane and deletes the rest of the team without touching a tank.
I want planes in GRB. I am not a fan of tank-only. But GRB needs GRB-Specific balance for BRs/some weapons gotta be removed to balance it out.
There is no middle ground. Today I unlocked Pantsir and in my first match I get 5 kills. 2 jets, 2 drones and a heli. I literally left click and move mouse and they die. This takes very little skill - Pantsir seems OP yet the aircraft that died to me, they did not bother avoiding my radar, they did not bother prioritising me, they flew high and straight and they deserved to die to low skill gameplay because they were doing low skill gameplay.
Now, that F-16C who obliterates me with a laser guided bomb after avoiding my radar (vertical) and guiding it to precision (hits me directly) he deserves that power. That is effort.
I am absolutely sick of zero-effort gameplay from CAS “abusers” that are turning GRB into a low-skill bomb fest.
All bombs with yield over 250KG need to be removed from GRB. S-250 needs to be removed. This rocket is a meta-joke. Su-25K is literally pay for free kills. I’m a russian main, it still bothers me when I try other nations.
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Because you think that in real life a F-16Viper called for CAS support but having only Mk84’s will say “no can do”
Come on,… you’re being unrationnal right now,…
That you ask for those anti-bunker bombs that we can find on Pe-8/Lancaster/Wellington/… to be costing twice the Spawn cost → yes i agree
That you ask for those to get removed is unhistorical, and unrealistic aswell.
Yes but he got 5 or 6 kills ,that is like complaining about a player who scored five or six goals in a football match, the aim to get the highest score and you will see most players boasting about how high their score is, how good their stats are compared to yours are and how they win tournaments with such tactics so what is the issue?
So what does the Tornado Gr1 use? It’s smallest bomb is a 1000lb. It’s not the only one
That I agree with, or they could be changed to scouting only, no AGMs
Honestly, this is not their fault. The SP cost for unguided bombs Is the same as GBUs. I have 0 incentive to ever spawn in with unguided bombs and do the “fly low under the radar and use unguided bombs”. There are buffs coming for a few CAS in coming months, like the Tornados finally hopefully getting their full CM count, which will help, but it’s usually a hell of a lot more dangerous, significantly harder to get any kills and costs the same amount.
If those loadouts (unguided) were notably cheaper, I’d use them all time, I find orbital bombing a bit boring, but that is what I have to do currently in the tornado.
I also agree with the Su25 rockets, though removal is unfair, just a notable SP increase will do. If you look back at the first reply to this thread. I link a post in another thread. On it I talk about some changes to CAS. Several of which are the same as your suggestions. Things like the 3k bombs or large yield rockets could be and should be adjusted up, and I do talk about on a case by case basis SP cost being refined, but it shouldnt be a blanket increase to all CAS like they normally do.
For the record. I agree, I think CAS does need some rebalancing. Some aspects are overperforming. But not all. In fact some I genuinely think are actually underperforming and need an SP reduction. And I am more the willing to work on solutions and compromises for those changes. To make GRB a more balanced combined arms gamemode. But I just hate being called “Toxic” or “abuser” for wanting to use aircraft in GRB. and that is my main objection.