SPAA shooting planes while they have spawn prot is dumb. You can’t even argue against that.
I agree, but it would force spaa to sit in their spawn for 15 seconds instead of trying to get to a good position.
Then just give them 10 seconds of spawn prot that doesn’t go away even when they move.
This exact double standard is what I struggle to grasp with these CAS discussions, especially when it inevitably devolves into the philosophy of the game being combined arms as a result of which people insist a tanks only game mode is somehow ludicrous and anti-Warthunder but then you have a plane only mode with AI ground sprinkled in. Which is it? Combined arms unless you want to have dogfights and bomb airfields without player-controlled Pantsirs impeding you?
I get that CAS is apparently not fitting in plain old ARB but why does that mean I have to be forced to play SPAA in GRB, which I do not like, because I will inevitably get bombed if I make a successful push or go on a slight killstreak which is a big no-no in GRB if you want to be spared from CAS for an extra minute or two?
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CAS already spawn camp tanks, SPAA need to be able to clear the skies of these types of players.
It is not dumb especially when people say: “Spawn SPAA to deal with planes”. All ground vehicles can shoot under spawn protection if they don’t move so why would SPAA be exception to that?
For example on large Sinai spawn protection doesn’t mean a thing as there is no cover to get to.
If you want to attack vehicles at spawn take a risk. Its all about risk and reward.
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SPAA shouldn’t be able to attack CAS when it still has spawn prot.
Because SPAA can shoot at planes that aren’t even spawncamping. Most players are smart enough to realize this. You don’t need spawn prot to be an effective SPAA, it’s just one of many ways that SPAA noobs are handheld. There should be, AT THE VERY LEAST, as indicator as to whether or not a very has spawn prot without using ordinance on it/shooting it.
Also, the spawn prot change I suggested also helps SPAA as it allows it to move to cover without chance of getting shot.
Not on every map, but also thats the SPAAs job. Lock out air space. Most players are smart enough to realize this.
No it doesn’t help at all if it cannot shoot. Most players are smart enough to realize this.
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No1 cares about the 2 maps in Warthunder where there’s no cover for SPAA (and no Sinai is not one of them). They’re the exception not the rule.
I’m glad we can agree that SPAA doesn’t need spawn prot to do it.
Actually it does. Being able to move to cover is helpful, most players are smart enough to realize this.
Ofc you’re not most players, you just sit in the open exactly where you spawn whole game when you play SPAA.
It does because all other ground vehicle have it especially if plane is spawn killing. Most players are smart enough to realize this.
No its only half helpful, most players are smart enough to realize this.
Ofc, you’re not most players so you just want easier way to use CAS because ground tactics is beyond your grasp.
Then the simply solution is just don’t let SPAA fire when it has spawn prot.
XD that’s rich coming from som1 who stays in one spot whole game.
So your solution to plane spawn killing is not to let SPAA to shoot and deal with it. Well now you definately proved that you are not most players.
No, its the truth. SPAA being able to move is only half help. SPAA can shoot on the move too.
More specifically, my solution to SPAA shooting planes that can’t fight back is allow the planes to fight back.
Better yet, simply make SPAA unable to fire with spawn prot, and make spawn prot not go away from moving. 15 seconds to take cover wherever you want is actually really good.
How is that an solution? Planes can fight back now the same as they could fight back with your “solution” in terms that they can dictate engagement and much easier disengage than ground vehicles can. In your “solution” everything for planes stays the same but SPAA cannot shoot at then even thou they are circling spawn. Great “solution”. Good it will never happen.
Not really, and as I said above good it will never happen.
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Just fly away.
Then planes shouldn’t be able to kill people in spawn.
SPAA is supposed to be a counter to CAS in ground forces. SPAA should be as strong against CAS as CAS is against non SPAA ground vehicles.
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Nope. Planes can’t fight back against SPAA with spawn prot.
Then go advocate for it to be impossible for tanks to spawncamp other tanks.
I’ve advocated for ending the spawn camp issue for a long time.
And a great way to start is make SPA unable to shoot at planes while invuln.
I disagree. SPAA having 15 seconds of protection does nothing for spawn camping.
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