Dying isn’t a problem.
Dying to something that you couldn’t counter from the get go is.
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Exactly
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How will it split them even more tho, I mean we are probably losing players atm cuz of lack of TO gamemodes.
All this fixes wont solve the issue for people wanting to just play tanks
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On those ones I am willing to fine-tune it somewhat, depending on the pen for the BR and how effective it is. It wont be a universal thing, its going to be tuned to each SPAA.
I mean those that want to play battles with CAS can still do even if there is TO gamemode, it would be good if players had more options to choose from. Playerbase count would still be the the same, maybe even increase.
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Think they afraid because that would only leave them with other combined arms players which means way more experienced Flyers statically speaking
Numbers don’t mater at all but imagine 25% never plays a plane or Spaa
And they add a tank only mode it would mean they would be stuck with the other 75% which brings cas cap and spaa
Its going to split the playerbase in likely about half, simply due to twice the available modes. I seriously doubt that second point though, its likely heavily overstated.
There is still the point about AB, which is pretty important - one of the few ways to get rid of a 279/Maus is to nail it with a bomb.
(Yes, maus. They are actually quite potent over here, especially at range.)
I think it will. If CAS is easy to counter, and said counters are accessible, it means that any death will actually be their fault, and it will be easy to improve/recover from it.
You actually see this a fair bit in AB - Yes, you will sometimes die to CAS, but it is easy to avoid and counter, so you rarely see the anger at it you see in RB. As another addition to my proposals I would likely also add naval’s style of aircraft to RB - meaning that you can still spawn CAP or CAS if you have not grinded out the air tree, further making it easier and more accessible to counter.
Very unlikely. WT is a fairly niche game as-is, they addition of a TO mode is unlikely to do much to increase player counts.
It wont be their fault as they are playing tanks not SPAAs meaning that in most cases they can’t do anything about the air killing them.
Well all I’m gonna say befire I leave is: It doesnt hurt anything to try it, maybe make TO mode available for a week or 2 as starters and then based on response from players, go from there.
Bye gtg now
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You could make the same argument about tanks you cant pen, or when you get killed when your gun/track is knocked out. Everything has a counter - heavy armor to derp guns and TDs, CAS to SPAA.
What is important is that those counters are easy to get and use, which means yeah - you will still die to CAS sometimes, but its then easy to take out SPAA to shoot them down. Overall deaths by CAS will also decrease, as SPAA will be more attractive to players, meaning you will see more of them.
You actually can’t.
When it comes to not being able to pen, I don’t belive there are many vehicles (please show us some) that can’t pen something (not SPAA) at -/+ 1 B.R.
When it comes to getting Your track/gun destroyed it is because You let that happen and it is because You made a mistake, You can’t say the same about 500kg bomb landing at You ;). Or the “mistake” is that You have killed someone that is going to kamikaze-bomb You.
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Even if you enjoy planes, doing all that gives you zero reward for progressing ground!
So even if you do want to fly CAP, you’re screwed.
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Nope, not at all.
I’m not the only one that objects to anything, and I don’t need to be a pilot to object as what you’d think with many of the posts in this thread.
It’s learnable, and it’s not extremely steep, it just takes effort.
Thing is you have SPAA, and people can call out the incoming planes, so now there’s no excuse to be unaware and ill-prepared.
That’s by their choice to solely spawn the plane every match they have as it looks by those screenshots…
When angles, there is, same with when stock. I really have no chance against a 279 in a stock T-54, and SPAA are in a worse position. Yes, they do count. Its a tradeoff they make, less pen against tanks for proper AA capability. Some heavy tanks also have this issue, if they have poor guns.
You somewhat can, at least in my experience. (Though I do come from AB, so yeah.) Much of my death from CAS come from when I was in a position exposed to the air with no cover, or when I had gotten my tracks/engine taken out.
I have learned to generally mitigate this by estimating where CAS will strike from in my location and keeping an eye in those directions. Sometimes i’ll nail one with a roof/coax MG, simply because I knew where they would come from.
Kamikazes I personally think could somewhat be solved by limiting killcam somewhat, though they are still going to happen. Main thing with them, though, is that they spent their vehicle to do so - its not a SP-effective trade, and implementing a manauver kill mechanic would mean that you actually get benefited for someone doing it to you.
I think this should be fixed by something similar to the ground research for helis - basically a box that would choose whether said research goes to air or ground.
Learnable? Yes. It is an extremely steep learning curve though, and very offputting compared to the relatively simple task of tanks. A new player trying to use a 40mm SPAA is going to do very badly, wheras they will have a much easier time in a tank.
Of course You have a choice, You just don’t fight it frontally. When facing the air I can’t do anything if pilot wants to kill me.
No cover is going to save You from 500kg bomb landing on You or near You with (1.5s delay in detonation). Air always have the upper hand as it doesn’t have to bomb You at the exact moment but can take another approach where You are vulnerable.
That is great, but some tanks don’t have it and in most cases it has very limited angle, so if You don’t fight against a clueless pilot, You won’t be able to do anything about it.
But just because You are going to limit the problem happening doesn’t mean that the problem gets fixed.
With TO all people who just want a tank vs tank gameplay would go to other mode meaning combined mode would balane itself out as all people playing it would be doing so for combined aspect of it.
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It’s not by choice.
Britain for instance has zero SPAA between 5.3 Bosvark (big fat pregnant cow drunk on 10 liters of vodka that turns slower than an F84B) and the 8.3 falcon. Oh, and your entire crew is exposed to the point that any stray shots will massacre you.
If you want to keep the air clear of enemies at 7.7, you’ve far more luck spawning a spitfire than the bosvark.
If you’re playing against america, the skies are full of enemies.
Therefore, it’s not really a choice
“Just spawn SPAA lmao skill issue” is not viable because of the aforementioned enormous SPAA gap. Compare the bosvark against the wiesel or luchs, or even the m163.
So you spawn CAP.
You need over fifty, sixty games at ~3000 RP above-average performance in the Centurion to get your next tank.
Split that 3000 RP in half for a “died after 12 minutes, respawned a spitfire”, with half getting wasted on your plane and you now need over a hundred games to finally round out your line-up.
They can easily learn and be finding help with people, but much of the advice from the occupants of this thread would be to not bother, just spawn a plane, then wonder why you can’t get all the kills others proclaim they do when they get shot down and can’t respawn.
That’s the issue with this defeatist mentality, where there’s nothing to do because no-one wants to do it because they think there’s no option.
Absolutely is.