IDK man. The argument I see the most is “Ive got revenged CAS”, well… the CAS guy need some points to spawn a… CAS plane? So he did something too.
Its part of the game. There is no “remove planes” solution. It’s dumb to ask that. To balance stuff? FINE. Remove? Nah
Read the thread.
Or other cas threads.
BR 1-3 airfield should be what it is currently.
BR 3-5 airfield should be ~10-12 km away
BR 5-7 airfield should be 15-20 km away
BR 7+ I do not know, jets accelerate weirdly and I’ve only a few games in the F84B to reasonably guesstimate appropriate airway distance but it should take 2-3 minutes to return after rearming.
(trying to achieve ~1.5-3 minute flight time between take off and ability to drop bomb assuming average airspeeds of 200km/h, 300-400 km/h, 400-600 km/h with increased fighter-bomber payload capacities
This will significantly dilute the amount of planes in the air as they spend a longer time rearming, it will discourage using fighter-bombers only able to carry 1 bomb and instead encourage using slower and larger ground-attack planes and frontline/heavy bombers as you can drop more bombs and spend more time doing CAS in relation to rearming.
This should prevent the case of shooting a sherman or pershing or patton and ending up with a sky full of corsairs and bearcats as the 0-1 kill player had enough SP to spawn one.
Ideally, the spawn cost of CAP should remain the same but adding ground-attack payloads should significantly increase it, likely doubling or tripling it. Payload SP cost should vary according to BR though because dumbfire rockets and bombs are much more dangerous to sluggish WW2 vehicles with relatively weak RHA/cast armour over composite armoured MBTs.
Give a decent SPAA for each 1.0 BR range for all nations. If nothing else, take a higher tier SPAA and limit its ammunition to earlier variants if such existed. Or if something was upgunned, offer the alternative as upgraded variants of lower BR variants.
ULQ’s suggestion: Allow players to return to spawn or a capture point and swap ground vehicles without losing spawn points to allow reactive SPAA usage and return to normal battle after the skies are clear.
Better spawn protection - some kind of top cover, more foilage, more spawn positions, more ways to leave spawn. It’s absolutely lovely spawning in my ratel/eland and getting strafed by a sabre or corsair before I even drive a hundred metres out of spawn.
Dude I will not read another 100+ post of anti CAS stuff. But thanks for bringing the points.
1- I agree with the airfield stuff. The problem is a prop being uptiered and traveling all the “jet distance”. People already leave when uptiered (I guarantee ULQ knows people that do this, because I KNOW).
2- Honestly there should be a BR limit for down vehicles. Its not as recurrent on the games I played, but its annoying. Its more due to this than the SP cost. Making the SP cost for ground the TRIPLE of a plane without ground ordenance is not viable. Lets be real. And on top of that, planes can still strafe. This “triple the points” is the same as asking for something to not exist.
3- Vehicles are a gaijin thing. IDK if its business related or what, but its not that simple, so…
4- sure. Same for air, right? So I can spawn a chopper, kill the guy on the IR spaa and come back to my cas plane?
5- I dont mind that. Honestly, thats BETTER for CAS, because you will not be engaged as easily by an invincible enemy, so…
Yes, but every vehicle has its function on a battlefield and in war. Tanks need the support of AA or planes for example.
This game is not made to be just tank vs tank.
Then what happens in games where nobody spawns in a plane and yes we have had those occasionally.
The game is better when it’s tank vs tank and its been said that many WoT players would migrate to WT if there were no planes.It seems many of them went to Steal beasts form WoT.
The great game I had with no CAS in an open half track was what prompted me to suggest a no CAS version of GRB as it was one of the best and most memorable games and I spent it defending the cap instead of being bombed out or rushing spawn.
World of tanks players like you looks like they are trying to change all the game just because they cant counter CAS.
Tank vs tank is better for who, just for who doesnt know how to CAS and play with planes.
I never saw a player that plays with both coming here and saying to remove CAS. This is ridiculous
Thats your opinion.
Who cares, we don’t need them.
Er …yes that was me who said that ,well spotted.
That’s your opinion
Gaijin might and those who want this game to survive might be interested in stealing all of WoT fans ,just because you are so short sighted and ignorant does not mean everybody else has to be.
CAS whiners are not the majority fortunetaly, so it won’t change.
No whiners like you are the majority it seems.You have nothing to add ,noting to say.
And the only thing you have to say is repeat what has been whined for since the dawn of time.
There will be no tank vs tank only mode.
Bro this is other game, Gaijin shouldnt copy other game. War thunder has your own essence.
Why dont you do the opposite, go to the WoT forum and ask for they make a game like war thunder and keep tank vs tank. No, you dont do that, so you come here to try to change all the game because you are bad
No I have suggested a TO GRB to run alongside the current GRB so one trick ponies like you can carry on doing what you always do.
This game can do what it likes and it has a Naval version like World of Warships, so no pun intended but that blows your argument out of the water : )
Which is exactly what has been whined for forever.
if you think the naval mode is like world of warships, for better or worse, you are beyond help.
No it hasn’t ,get your facts right. The removal of CAS is what has been asked for and mostly by those who dont fly.
A new mode of GRB with no CAS is another issue entirely and it does not effect those who like combined arms one bit so bitch somewhere else please.
You tired old arguments don’t apply here.
I’m able of having 5 K/D in F4U-4B used only in GRB and I would prefer tank vs tank.
No it has not, go look yourself, im not gonna do the work for you.
Also the exact moment you played your first game you knew it was combined arms.
Gajin will not change that because of you and a few others, because it would increase queue times.
Good that the majority of people on this forum would like to have TO as polls showed that.
Should I look at Your in game profile and see how well You do in tanks?
The amusing part is that it would only affect que times if it was popular. So You can’t really say in the same comment that it is not popular and that it will affect que times
I fly planes. I want less planes in GRB. I want to achieve this with significantly longer rearm/travel times to encourage usage of large and clumsy planes over fast and capable fighters if you want less downtime between bomb drops, and I want to achieve this by increasing the spawn cost of air-to-ground ordnance in a way that scales with BR (a 250 lbs bomb at BR 3 is much more powerful than at BR 6, a 1000 lbs dumb bomb is way more powerful at BR 6 than versus a composite-armour high mobility MBT).
I also want functional SPAA at every 1.0 BR step. Britain has to use the 5.3 bosvark or skink for the entire 5.3-8.0 ranges. It really quickly falls off in effectiveness once jets are introduced.
If I want to fly planes, I got ARB/ASB.