Comparative by picking a aspect that it is clearly not the best and compare it to two other jet that can do said aspect extremely well. Then say “It can mean it is fine”. That cherry picking , not comparative
1 Like
Don’t blur the point buddy.
no matter what British Phantoms get AIM-9L OR NOT
it will not change
- Skyflash(DF) performs worse than AIM-7F
- F-4EJ carries more advanced PD radar than F-4J(UK)/K/M
RWR* Something better than SPO-10 would be wonderful. Spo-15 isn’t the best because it can’t even detect fellow Mig-23s. A better radar would also be great.
They’re not a minor nation (like Israel/Japan/Italy), but not a major nation (like the US, Germany, or Russia). They fit in an inbetween nation, like France, Sweden, and China.
The whole point is, is that the British phantoms are worse than their US counterparts at the same BR. They either need to move down, or get a better armament.
3 Likes
I’m glad you agree with me.
@Ion_Protogen
Britain has as many under-BR’d vehicles as USA.
Also @Stockholm_Blend The FG series Phantoms have superior RWRs. Tracking detection vs none.
Any examples?
Doesn’t disprove my point that they aren’t part of the 3 major nations.
1 Like
He also constantly does this, where he acts like he said the thing the other person did in an attempt to undermine the other person.
2 Likes
So,
you are trying to say that
- It is okay for British Phantoms to get overrated because British have many underrated vehicles?
and about RWR.
I am talking about F-4J(UK)
it has a slightly worse RWR than F-4J/S which received an update.
I am not ? If you can’t read why bother discussing about vehicle balancing ?
The only vehicle near the bottom of our tree that I can think of is the Tornado F3 ( early) but should only move up with either a BOL overhaul or further reduction in MP.
Without either, its fine at 12.0.
Most others are over-BRed imo (Gr7, Gr4, Gr1, F3 Late, FA2 could all probably do with being 0.3 lower in their current state)
2 Likes
@Stockholm_Blend
The FG1 is largely a sidegrade. I’d support removing the AIM-7Fs from F-4J, even to prove the point.
FG has a slightly superior RWR.
F-4J has a superior BVR missile.
FG series have superior engines.
F-4J probably has agile eagle that slightly lowers energy retention… this one’s preference probably.
So on and so forth.
@両儀_式
Me: Using comparative analysis is the best way of balancing.
You: Exactly. Those that pick and choose aspects however aren’t doing that.
Me: Exactly! We’re on the same page.
@Shay
Prove that everyone here is undermined by agreeing with basic facts. I’ll wait.
How is all of us agreeing on most things undermining facts?
And he did it again. It’d be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
Name a single undertiered UK vehicle
The only other plane that could be undertiered would be the Hornet. I think they have a higher alt air spawn than other interceptors(I’ve seen them spawning 1km+ away from me when I fly the Ki-83), and they will almost always have the altitude advantage over anything but a Ki-83.
There are vastly more overtiered planes than undertiered ones.
this one
With how butchered the CAPTOR M is, not really.
ig theres the Wyvern S4 too, but those arent thwarting entire lobbies
3 Likes
Yeah, if we include the hole tree, then there are a few others, maybe the Mk9 spits and purely from a decompression stand-point the Lightning F6 (though would need all-aspect red tops to move up)
But the vast majority are definetly either correctly placed or over BRed. You could probably count the under-BRed aircraft on a single hand
3 Likes
I just can’t get why you are bringing F-4K to refute my claim about ‘F-4J(UK)’
F-4J(UK) has worse in every aspect but only has better paints compared to F-4J/S
1 Like
IMO, the issue with the Wyvern is not the performance, its actually pretty average for the BR bar the high ammo count for the 20mm. It just needs to loose its air-spawn
yea the eurofighter doesnt stand out anywhere, BVR it loses to the F-15E, Close range you get slammed by MICA-EMs