this has nothing to do with newbies?
Yeah but once those reserve tiers hit top tier they arent newbies anymore so the only way your theory works if only Germany players suffer from arrested development throughout their entire tech tree grind.
That might be true but in the entirety of 2025 and 2026 so far Germany has not been once the most played premium. Its always russia by or the US in 2 or so months. In January 2026 half of the 10 most played premiums were russian for example
Unintentionally funny typo
Furthermore, the number of Swedish players is far less than that of Chinese and Japanese players, and is only comparable to that of Italians. This doesn’t seem like a country that new players would choose, but its winning rate is only 46%.
Then why did you say that there are a large number of new players in Germany, which leads to a low overall winning rate? Didn’t you first say that there are a lot of new players among the top players in Germany?
Well it is also true. Tho as much as the rumors are around the community, german mains either ARE suffering from this, or after reaching tiger 1 go buy premium Leopard
Well there were months when Germany was 2nd played nation, but i must agree, by premiums they arent the most picked nation at least for a year now.
ah XD im sorry, that happends sometimes.
Thats from a lack of SPAA as much as i can tell. Tho Germans have the best and their winrate is even lower :/
I meant general amount of newbies. They are spread througout the BRs tho as there are many machines newbies want to touch. But yes, the last year Germany is not the main newbie nation. WHich only leads to quersioning if they play so bad because dont learn throughtout the tree, or their techs is bad.
The topSPAA in Israel is worse, but Israel has a 50% win rate. The SPAA in the USA and Sweden is similar. The USA has more novice players, but its win rate is higher.
Thats then again only leads to conclusion that german players are genuenly worse players, i cant find any more justification for such
That’s not how it works.
Is this conclusion drawn from the mouth of a player with only 1K/D? That’s quite interesting. When I was talking about Sweden, you still thought it was the problem of German players. You disregarded the fact that the Leopard 2 has been weakened four times, and chose a claim without any data support. This is extremely absurd.
Precisely. There is not one bit of actual evidence for that and there is also no logical explanation for why specifically Germany players would be more resistant to learning than others besides confirmation bias. There are plenty of explanations why german mid tier performs so atrocious but by top tier Germany is not played nearly the same amount as it is in the Tiger BRs.
There is exactly one month. In July 2025 the Leopard 2A4M was the second most played premium but with a full MILLION less games than the first placed T80. So Sorry but there is absolutely 0 evidence that German top tier is more populated by newbies than the other majors, in fact just going by the numbers russia should be absolutely stacked with wallet warriors at this point.
IMHO, last ~2-3 years the main newbie nation is USSR.
That’s what the absolute majority of new players of all nations do.
Specify?
Overall is more close to 2, and yes, thats what i have to say after grinding several trees.
It was weakened last time in 2024, their KD ratio then didnt rise or fall drammaticaly.
You can make a better take my specifying that US, USSR and Britain got buffed, and i would agree that it is a factor, tho still i dont find 2a7/122B worse than T-90 or M1A2.
there is. Most german machines have better ratios in other countries, lol.
blind german is a meme not because evil US and USSR mains want to make germans look bad.
Again, there is!
Their tanks throughout BRs are either VERY good or just good, so their learning process is quite different from what, for example, French mains have.
it sure is.
USSR was always one of the most picked, but i wouldnt agree it is most picked for all three years. Up until T-80UE…
Japan is fun from Rank I to Rank VIII only strugling at rank III with the tiny lineups.
Italy is fun from Rank I to Rank VII.
France is fun from Rank IV to Rank VIII, although your tanks have no stabilizers and armour thinner then paper.
China is very fun as well, grinded to top tier without premiums. Hopefully they receive more love in the future - China is a good investment knowing what they can get!
There are a lot of 100 lvl players who play on low rank Germany.
Ok then ask yourself why do those better tanks stats not result in wins.
Ah so community memes are valid now? Good to know, because i think there is one that you wont like being real.
That not even remotely proof that Germany players would be more learning resistant than other major players.
Then why is russias winrate not as bad as Germanys if they should, by all numbers, have vastly more wallet warriors?
Don’t tell him, he might guess…
Yes But this is where the problem lies. Only the Leopard 2A7 is not worse than the M1A2 or the T80BVM. If you have played Merkava 4, Type 10, or 99A, you will find that these vehicles are not worse than the other Leopard 2s. The Leopard 2 was indeed powerful in the past, but the reason was the lack of the German and Swedish air force systems. Now their air forces are not much stronger, but the Leopard 2 has already been weakened four times.
Low - yes, 1.0?
Certainly not Pz 3E.
VVVVV
their tanks only stay so low because them cant play properly. They got T-34-40 to 4.0 whilist the Pz IV H there. And the IV G is 3.3 my god thats nonsense.
Its not about meme, rather than the experience that playerbase has that they even did a meme
its universaly a blind german meme in russia, us, britain, ect.
No, it is a factor that leads us to believe they are
the “wallet” tanks dont show much betterness tho. The difference is made by other players, who tend to be more experienced
I want you to correct me if im wrong, but at the time when there were no 2a7V, the 2a6 not only had a better winrate but was universaly called a best MBT. Then they added Sweden and that was the moment Germans started arguing for the 2a7V as the STRV122 had such a better protection it left germans speechless.
Im on my way to them. Tho i compare it to BVM, 90M, Chally 2 and M1A2
only one of those is somewhat proper 12.7 tank compared to both 2a7v and 122b
Its true that it got worse with time. Especially seen as they got the reload rate of all countries to be faster than Leopard’s. But that aint mean it got to be worst mbt now, especially compared to those who crave buffs of their tanks like Ariette.
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Who said so?
the fact that it is worst starter tank?
Why would a pedobear bother playing it? Would rather pick Pz 2 or Pz IV early. Or even an event ones. Or the 3F at least