Overall is more close to 2, and yes, thats what i have to say after grinding several trees.
It was weakened last time in 2024, their KD ratio then didnt rise or fall drammaticaly.
You can make a better take my specifying that US, USSR and Britain got buffed, and i would agree that it is a factor, tho still i dont find 2a7/122B worse than T-90 or M1A2.
there is. Most german machines have better ratios in other countries, lol.
blind german is a meme not because evil US and USSR mains want to make germans look bad.
Again, there is!
Their tanks throughout BRs are either VERY good or just good, so their learning process is quite different from what, for example, French mains have.
it sure is.
USSR was always one of the most picked, but i wouldnt agree it is most picked for all three years. Up until T-80UE…
Japan is fun from Rank I to Rank VIII only strugling at rank III with the tiny lineups.
Italy is fun from Rank I to Rank VII.
France is fun from Rank IV to Rank VIII, although your tanks have no stabilizers and armour thinner then paper.
China is very fun as well, grinded to top tier without premiums. Hopefully they receive more love in the future - China is a good investment knowing what they can get!
Yes But this is where the problem lies. Only the Leopard 2A7 is not worse than the M1A2 or the T80BVM. If you have played Merkava 4, Type 10, or 99A, you will find that these vehicles are not worse than the other Leopard 2s. The Leopard 2 was indeed powerful in the past, but the reason was the lack of the German and Swedish air force systems. Now their air forces are not much stronger, but the Leopard 2 has already been weakened four times.
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their tanks only stay so low because them cant play properly. They got T-34-40 to 4.0 whilist the Pz IV H there. And the IV G is 3.3 my god thats nonsense.
Its not about meme, rather than the experience that playerbase has that they even did a meme
its universaly a blind german meme in russia, us, britain, ect.
No, it is a factor that leads us to believe they are
the “wallet” tanks dont show much betterness tho. The difference is made by other players, who tend to be more experienced
I want you to correct me if im wrong, but at the time when there were no 2a7V, the 2a6 not only had a better winrate but was universaly called a best MBT. Then they added Sweden and that was the moment Germans started arguing for the 2a7V as the STRV122 had such a better protection it left germans speechless.
Im on my way to them. Tho i compare it to BVM, 90M, Chally 2 and M1A2
only one of those is somewhat proper 12.7 tank compared to both 2a7v and 122b
Its true that it got worse with time. Especially seen as they got the reload rate of all countries to be faster than Leopard’s. But that aint mean it got to be worst mbt now, especially compared to those who crave buffs of their tanks like Ariette.
the fact that it is worst starter tank?
Why would a pedobear bother playing it? Would rather pick Pz 2 or Pz IV early. Or even an event ones. Or the 3F at least
Thats completely and entirely your evidenceless conclusion, there are plenty of factors that are not purely based on tank performance that influence winrates.
Huh i think there is one other universal experience that all except one part of the playerbase like to share… i just cant remember what it is rn…/s
Based on, again, nothing.
So the USSR is just magically more resilient against the literal hordes of premium players, because the rest of the players are better than all other nation players. Give me break dude the amount of cope you guys need to make your magic, little, evidenceless theories work actually hurts my brain.
exactly. Players are the first one.
tanks are SO great, and yet.
brain does not work like that. It may work with not universal experience, but its still not “nuthing” if its a meme around the community. The roots also may differ tho you need to dig a bit into the problem to understand it.
Yes, exactly. Also russian mains tend to be from russia, and russian players take the game more seriously on average. Everyone knows the SYKA BLYAT which implicates a huge amount of involvenment.
Tho as i already said, such players usually tend to use better tanks.
Like sweden 20mm event machine was, when they grind events by sacrificing youth.
Id rather believe such will use 234-1. 3E sounds just a bit rash?
Again you completely fail to give a single reason why Germany players would be worse. Your entire argument is based on the assumption that they are and thats why the stats are the way they are. Your argument is the wrong way round.
Great to know, because in case you didnt clock it, i was talking about russian bias which is a long standing popular thing in the community. So i guess that one has a basis now as well, hm?
Ah yeah the good old, “russia players are just better” without any proof whatsoever. I was waiting for that classic.
Yeah Germany players are worse, because the average russia player is incapable of making an argument for their wild, baseless theories. Big brain time.
i dont know how to put it any better if you dont get what i mean. Its not that i assume german players are bad, and then look at the stats. I look at the stats and then assume they are bad. The stats themselves, their REAL gameplay performance leads to that. So its not an assumption, its a recognition of their real play :/
I grinded german tanks enough to point thingers on those which are undertiered, yet they only get buffed, not nerfed. Its a hella german fun there. At least gaijin managed to nerf leopard 2a4s the way they got as regular as any others
It surely does! USSR is one that gets many tanks, some technologies it also gets first, some proper bugs like T-34-85s drivers hatch or the KV-1 Fuel tanks are a huge factor that make this rumors exist! There always is a reason, you only need to dig to it!
I myself start to believe it when another 88 jumps away from 34s driver hatch xD
german main statistic is proof by itself. How it is sang in one cool old song? “Its a book of a true stories. True stories that cant be denied! Its more than true, it actually happened!”.
I get what you mean. You justdont understand that your argument is flawed.
You look at the stats and see the bad winrate and you assume that the explanation is bad players when there are multiple other explanations that you dont consider.
You even said that the tanks perform better than their competitors so why would the players be bad then? Good performing tanks → low winrate → doesnt make sense.
name me a single buff for a german tank in the past 2-3 years.
Ah so russian bias is a rumor and blind german mains is a fact, nice to know lmao
That exactly why i believe players are bad!
The tank consists of a player who uses it, and the machine itself. And while machines of german are exceptional, they somehow have bad statistics. What`s the explanation to that, if not bad players?
I dont even mean most modern tanks, there are reasons to consider much more. But even at lower their tanks geet bad stats, despite being good ones.
And there are no additional things like BMPT spam or Kh38s you can blame for that. There it is pure stallinium against germanium
Pz IV 4.3->3.3
Blind german is a rumor and a meme. Poor performing german players is a fact.
Same as russian bias is a rumor and a meme. And some things, for example the T-34s drivers hatch
bug, is a fact
i mean there must be a reason devs themselves added the “crying german” as a part of some april fools event xD
I see, you meant good specifications on the tanks, not statistics then.
Very simple because of the other part that you coincidentally didnt engage with. There are many factors that influence winrates in war thunder that you completely ignore to fit your narrative. Youre still failing to see that you dont have any evidence or underlying reason why germany players would be worse, you just take the stats and conclude that the stats are that way, because of bad players.
Like i said mid tier germany performs awful, because its the most popular nation at that BR with a ton of “muh tIgEr” wehraboos amongst other problems. I completely agree there. Its just a complete stretch to pin that narrative to top tier where Germany is vastly less popular and, more importantly, russia is completely filled to the brim with wallet warriors and somehow they are not affected the same way german 5.7 and 8.3 is. Its laughable to just put that up to "russia players gud’’ without any bit of proof.
Lol truly a big one, especially for top tier.
And selective realism for the benefit of russia is a fact as well so what are you talking about? Youre literally just cherrypicking things to fit your biases.
The Leopard 2A6 was introduced to the game after it was added to the Swedish version (in November 2020). At that time, the 122 could only use the DM33, but the A6 had the DM53, so at that time, the A6 was the superior tank. One and a half years after the A6 was added to the game, the 122 received the M95 (in June 2022). At that time, Sweden’s strength surpassed that of Germany.
When the A6 was the most powerful tank, its opponents were much weaker than they are now. Many of them were still using the 400 APFSDS (and they didn’t have a breakst, the firing range wasn’t restricted, and there was no gun barrel bug) and now any of the opponents are much stronger.
