In ARB the R73 is fantastic. You sling it off the rail while passing the furball and easily surprise 3-4 people in quick order. Say skill issue, but you can check my SMT stats. The R73 in GRB does not have the same strength. In GRB, as there’s no missile icon, you use contrails/engine burn to see incoming missiles. The 9M is far superior here.
The SMT is not good for CAS. Hard to get the spawnpoints to actually want to spawn it (and have some overhead). Only can/should really carry 2 AGMs (KABs are not worth bothering with). If you do this, though, no R27s.
And I agree that Russia and the US have far more diverse weaponry than other nations, but that’s not really the point of this discussion?
the point is that you call out the SMT as so bad , when the equivalents of other nations arent even added yet, as example british and germany can get better tornados with jdams, maws, ecm pods, dispensers, aim 9l (i) and those very well could end up at 12.3, but those still wouldnt be competitive against the SMT, there will always be better or worse aircraft for a role, but you guys are complaining about an aircraft when all the others havent even been added yet and currently at 12.3 the SMT is a good enough CAS plane, it is better then what a lot other nations have as an option.
This combines with the Pantsir being one of the better Spaas as well securing the air superiority for the russian side
Personally, I think all nations should get equivalent new top tier vehicles at the same time. That would be more engaging and avoid these conversations to begin with.
But even still, it’s frustrating, the lack of even FLIR on any Russian CAS. If I had the time to grind US just for CAS, I’d love to. It’d just be nice to get something to stay somewhat competitive at CAS while playing top tier USSR without having to play the KA52.
Say hello to the Tornado additions which were way to late, meta for 1 patch and then they added the Pantsir, besides that germany was lacking a real cas for a very long time as well
He isn’t splicing clips together, you can see plenty of continuous footage in that video which completely dispels your claim of them having a 20% hit rate.
In the comment replies he even states the weaknesses and his dislike of the KAB.
This is the only comment I can find with him mentioning the tv bombs
I’d still rather the diverse and larger loadout of a tornado, with a FLIR pod, than trying to make the SMT work for CAS as it currently stands. I prefer using the SU25BM for CAS, if that says anything.
The points being made in reply to me are ignoring the point that the MIG29 carries fewer weapons with no TGP, at a higher spawn cost (TV missiles cost a lot) than most other nation’s top tier air. Is it a better missile truck for air to air? Absolutely. But that’s not the point of OP’s post.
had to check that one, you mean the choice between gbu 16 or gbu 24? tornados (exception british one) lack the standoff capability of a missle, believe me when i say many other nations would love to have the ability of a tv guided bomb /missle, the tornado has to stay on target for the laser while the smt can shoot and then forget its missle.
Additionaly the Tornado CM count is broken and gets way less then it is supposed to, while the SMT is even getting a buff to theirs this patch.
i honestly can completly understand this as well, the SU25BM/T/39 has their own strengths like the very sturdy airframe and larger loadout it all comes down to preference
The problem with the whole thematic is if you say it like this the F16C doesnt count either, because it is no strike aircraft neither is the SMT, they all are Multi Role fighters at this point, and most future additions all will be at 12.3
that is because of the stand off capability i already mentioned which other nations envy, you can shoot the missle/bomb and then hide behind mountains and wait until the enemy spaa possible gets killed, most nations top tier spaa lack cannons to reliably destroy approaching targets, another benefit yet again of the Pantsir
Always funny seeing a guy who hasn’t played anything but Russia, talk about how good of a helicopter the UHT is. Nearly 100% of the time the argument is; “well it has F&F”, and nothing more.
I agree with most of what you said. And I just meant the Tornado can carry more ordinance and a wider mix of it. The gimbal angles help with it lacking standoff, but that’s not a justification on my part for it not having standoff weapons.
I feel that if the SMT only gets 2 standoff missiles, it shouldn’t have a traditional spawn cost for TV weapons. To do the same damage as an AGM65 carrier, it has to land 2-3 times. It’s just not fun to try to use the SMT for CAS, at the moment. The high SP bar to entry, though understandable to an extent, is discouraging and thus I just don’t use it. I will say though, the CM buff is realistic, but should also apply to the Tornado.
Would like to see that every nation gets a buff to top tier SPAA along with standoff capabilities. I will say, the F16 can easily avoid pantsir, if maneuvering. I only tend to kill those who fly in a straight line while playing it, outside of occasional luck. The guidance is not what it once was (very jumpy radar lock as of about a month ago).
Please keep in mind I don’t want USSR to be superior. That’s not my reasoning. I’d rather balance all around, for every TT. Would do a lot in bringing the community together.
They all defended the 27K with “lmao just spawn SPAA”, but when NATO got CAS with IR pods, all the same people, who defended unopposed Russian CAS’ing went on a massive complaining spree about how the Tunguska cannot do anything to stop the IDS from killing their team… and then they got the Pantsir.
27K has nothing on the new CAS. TPOD GBUs are far more powerful.
Granted, no one should be hypocrites.
They should be like myself & consistently supporting anti-CAS measures.
Yes, after you edited it when I was mid-sentence. Congrats.
edit: besides as Shini says, it’s about DOI, not now (and notice how I never said TPOG GBU’s aren’t better, my point was the pure hypocrisy of people who complain that they had to put up with the same thing as others had before).
we are talking about the time of its introduciton, not now, the whole thing is important to show that russia has times where it has meta equipment and just like right now currently not necesarily the best but still good equipment
27K was introduced when ADATS and fighters already existed. F-4E, GR1A which is a lower BR primarily because of its air RB performance being worse than Mig-27’s both existed at the time of 27K’s release; so it wasn’t a new aircraft type for ground RB in terms of non-thermal TV guided, and in the case of GR1A “first” generation laser guided munitions.
And SPAA was only corrected this year.
People are quick to over-estimate 27K’s performance cause players only realized how powerful F-4E & GR1A were after 27K’s release, leading to GR1A’s BR increase from 10.0 to 10.3.
