Who would have thought the Yak-141 was in service and in use? After all, we don’t have any experimental weapons in the game.
yea well gaijin hold the power to pick and choose what prototype and system they want to add for “balance” purposes, not much we can do about it
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No it’s an ineffective tactic because the timer is based off the time off the point of launch meaning that any movement will make the timer inaccurate. We’ve already disproved that players can’t smoke in time. Most can. We have no hard stats but since I use helis, people do react in time even if the agm has 3 seconds left.
This tactic works more for beam riding because you can see the missile and make necessary corrections.
The “top 5” are agm are FnF but they are only the “top 5” in maps that allow it. Small maps is where these munitions struggle. People bring laser guided munitions because it’s cheaper, it offers precision strike in these environments, it’s their only effective secondary choice for guided munitions - F-16, F-15, Su30, and Rafale are some aircraft that I can think of off the top of my head.
In addition, it is an absolute must to carry laser guided munitions for helicopter as LDIRCM helicopters can completely counter IR munitions.
It does. You can simply compare the characteristics. Ain’t that hard bro lol. If it is, feel free to let me know.
You’re missing the point once again. What makes the Ka52 the best heli prior to the new spaa? It was the vikhrs. It’s the best agm for killing ground and air vehicles. In every of these vehicle tutorial videos, they praise the lethality of the Vikhrs. In almost every video the apaches or other hellfire platforms, they mention how poor hellfires perform due to it’s poor flight characteristics paired with an inferior guidance mode.
The majority of the player base recognize so unless you know something that they don’t (which I highly doubt), then yes, the playerbase is correct about it.
Again, once you start playing CAS, you’ll start recognizing how wrong you are.
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You constantly and consistently ignoring the sheer quantities of LG weapons at top tier is funny man.
Every typhoon has them, every single secondary weapon as @HondaCivici has stated is laser guided.
Thats not also including the sheer volume of spawn points needed just to take a fixed wing or such out with said munitions makes them even more obscure ti see.
You’ve been fixated on helicopters with FnF saying they’re meta for those missiles.
They aren’t meta because of the missiles they’re meta due to the ability to make pretty much all spaa ineffective against them.
Remove dazler or put it on a random apache and it’ll be the meta next.
Or if you remove all of these missiles you’ll still see the same vehicles being oppressive.
As well as this as I said they had a surge of players and it’s already dropping as people are mow countering them with either CAP or a wing and a prayer.
They are for me man? Hell i dodged some spikes in a raam sagol earlier from audio cues alone.
It is in comparisson to when other vehicle’s have been added.
Leopards had huge and i mean huge surges.
T80 BVM did as well.
KA50 had a surge whicb ended up with a game mode being removed due to it.
Waht we have now is a minor surge among meta chasers.
Google statshark isn’t accurate and you’ll see forum posts there.
Changing the scenario now bud.
Not really the KH38 was massively ahead of it in range and capabilty, the platforms are the distinction.
Rafale still has ti enter most operational ranges to be extremely lethal.
Not really but pop off mate.
Its not.
I can assure you of that 😂 i spent a while settijg it up to specifically hear what i need and want yo.
I survived a spike earlier without even smoking man it missed me and did no damage to the tank.
So yeah.
They actually are if you havw a proper sound set up.
It doesn’t, at all.
Not really, mobility beats a LRF for usefulness in general.
It very much does.
If they won’t change M1s, that would mean they wouldn’t add LWS either.
Have I said it’s bad ?
Implying WT players can’t count.
Great.
You haven’t disproven anything, just laid out your opinion on it.
They perform more than fine to wreak havoc in games, that’s really simple to observe.
What you’re offering here is nothing more than niche use cases, which pretty much go in hand with the claim of LWS being niche.
Never knew helicopters are tanks.
No I’m not missing the point, it’s you not being able to read, yet again.
You still haven’t read it through carefully ?
I’ll babysit you through this one as seemingly you’re incapable of reading properly.
I’ve yet to see a piece of evidence that proves Hellfires are inferior to Vikhrs when it comes to AT* duties.
*I feel the need to note that AT = anti tank, as you seem to struggle with words.
Ka-52 was the best because Vikhrs are good against both air and ground units and it also has access to a really good autocannon.
Or you’ll understand how wrong you are when you finally learn how to read carefully.
You’re the one ignoring the CAS meta throughout the 2025 in your enormous cope about LWS.
I knew cope can be blinding, but this much is honestly laughable.
Oh, is that why people are moaning about EFT’s CAS ability for months now, telling us how it sucks ass and is really hard to play as a CAS ?
People move on from these mediocre vehicles and just use something else until it’s buffed.
Yeah, CAS is extremely hard to spawn, even with maxed out loadout.
Said no one ever.
SACLOS AAs are still dangerous to DIRCM helicopters.
That aside, even without DIRCM people would still use FnF as it lets them fire more missiles in the same time frame, basically reducing their exposure time in the process.
Nothing really spiked 5x in usage just because it received a single piece of ordnance.
Calling that small is ignorant at best and malicious at worst.
Googled the exact phrase and have found barely anyone even talking about it being bugged or wrong.
So yet again, please do give out a source.
You are actually.
You mean how operational range of older AA was like 10kms ?
Has LWS.
Doesn’t smoke until he hears the missile.
Praises LWS for the fact his ears did all the work.
You’re really deep into it lol.
I’m sure you can share your settings where you mute other in game sounds in order to be able to hear the missile, especially 2kms out.
Great turn of events, must say.
As above, pelase do share that sound setting so we can all hear missiles buzzing from 2km away.
Unfortunately for you, it does.
If the ability to laze someone isn’t more important than suspension upgrades then LWS will be equally as unimportant.
Brakes and suspension are mobility upgrades.
Does what ?
Throw your shot off ?
Create problems for them and their optics ?
Nope. The timer is already innaccurate and it only gives you a general idea when it’ll impact. Once you start moving, the timer doesn’t get updated and with how SALH works, it can either come in early or late. this means that you have to constantly lase the target to ensure that the agm hits.
So have you… the only difference is that I test my claims before speaking about it
they only work against specific targets in these maps. I have yet to see LMURS or JAGMS(IR) getting back to back kills in these maps.
Since you seem to be allergic to reading the Weaponry Data and missing the point once again. I’ll explain it in simple terms.
Lets just take the Squadron Mi-35P. A significantly worse platform than the Kamovs. If you get rid of the proxy fuse, it’ll still be the a better missile than the hellfires.
It is faster and more accurate thus making it a AT agm then the hellfires. The hellfires have limited range, is innacurate with the range it does have, cannot hit targets behind smoke, cannot hit moving targets at range and it’s lofting profile is terrible.
So no:
Ka-52 was the best because Vikhrs are good against both air and ground units and it also has access to a really good autocannon.
The Ka-52 was the best because the Vikhrs is the only agm that was the best (not good) at killing both ground and air targets.
No other agm could match the vikhr’s lethality in even one category. the Atakas being worse than the vikhrs is better than Hellfires
Like I said before, you’re in the minority for a reason. It’s not because you know something the rest don’t know. You just don’t know what you’re talking about
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I’m the one both using the CAS and the ground stuff.
You’ve only half a picture on how this shit works and wanna come in swinging saying everyones coping cause they’ve literally told you that you’re wrong.
ARe you 12?
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mediocre?
The typhoons still one of the best platforms at top tier even if it’s only got brimstone with SAL. It’s an absolute beast of a platform.
Says the one who *doesn’t use / have it
top tier cas is the same price as spawning 2 MBTs usually if not more now.
Were you playing when the Ka50 was released? Or the BVM?
or the m1 abrams? they had far more than 5x spikes in players Which was your original comment not the addition of ordinance that mate is moving the goalposts.
You’re better than that.
Lol you didn’t google very much did you Data Analysis #3: The arrival of Statshark answers some old questions - #235 by TheMightySardine
it’s literally on this forum.
2nd or 3rd comment from the bottom.
There’s your source.
I am not actually.
the ITO was out to 12KM if I remember rightly nad pantsir further so yeah it was still outwith their operational ranges.
Again HAMMERS have less range than KH38.
Not a disputable fact at all.
I use both I’ve told you, I have the LWS for the direction to know where it’s coming from, hell it’s how with namer I shot down 2 KA50s the other match I think this morning.
You realise headphones have equalisers and such you can bugger with to make presets for each game no?
@Razielkaine Could tell you more if you’re really needing a breakdown on how audio profiles work xD
Further proves the point, that folks with auto cannons laze and mess up the shot.
Do you use logitech Ghub?
Not really?
One is in relation to firing the round off and getting a distance while the other modification is relaed to defense and protection so to speak?
Ones not the same as the other just because it is bundled together?
I am well aware of that, hence why I am stating they are more useful than laser range finders not LWS
You are mixing two modifactions together just because Gaijin slams them together,
If you lase a helicopter, and they move, it throws the shots off.
You should try some helis sometime mate. See how it goes.
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If you think Hellfires can travel 5km in 5 seconds then no wonder you need to constantly laze the target.
Tests.
I don’t.
And Hellfires have more explosive mass.
You still haven’t shown how Vikhr is so dominant against tanks when compared to Hellfires, at this point you’re just parroting nonsense.
Thanks for saying what I just said, good job buddy.
Seems like you can’t be helped, it’s terminal.
The Vikhr was and is still widely regarded vastly superior to the Hellfire?
The hellfire penetration values are substantially worse usually requiring multiple hits, not even 2 usually more.
They are massively slower meaning they have far larger windows in which the target can either shoot the missile down, you get shot down or target moves.
There is absolutely zero debate if the hellfire is worse than the Vikhr missiles at all.
To say there is, as you say, is cope
You know if you read my entire argument, then your responses will make more sense? I have no idea how to respond to his because that wasn’t even my point
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You must think the sturmtiger is the most op tank in game then lol.
hope this helps
it’s faster and more accurate thus making it a AT agm then the hellfires. The hellfires have limited range, is innacurate with the range it does have, cannot hit targets behind smoke, cannot hit moving targets at range and it’s lofting profile is terrible.
Tell that to the CCs as well. It’s quite funny that you ignore that screenshot completely. Guess the truth hurts sometimes lol
In case you missed it:
No other agm could match the vikhr’s lethality in even one category. the Atakas being worse than the vikhrs is better than Hellfires
Not really, you’re coming in here guns blazing praising LWS and how useful it is all the while ignoring things stacked against you.
FnF weaponry has been dominating 2025 with several missiles changing hands when it comes to oppression. Guess why no one complained about Laser weaponry being brokenly OP since like 2020 ?
Less and less vehicles sport Laser ordnance as their top of the line weapon choice, so naturally their presence in the game will fall off a cliff, especially if something better is added at the same time.
It seems like you’re in full cope mode and your brain cannot fathom it.
Wake up babe, it isn’t 2020 anymore.
EFT is mediocre at CAS in the current state of the game.
It requires much more work to gain less, which is not something you’d say about something if it’s really good at it’s job.
Me not using CAS doesn’t change the fact that their SP cost is really easy to achieve by just playing a mediocre game. Trying to discredit facts in such a fashion is incredibly shady, if not malicious.
Dude, full vehicle additions are much different than ordnance ones.
That’s a completely different separate source from the company global data that Pluspy obtained for them that this thread was based on.
So naive to think maximum range = effective/usable range.
You can pinpoint the general direction of the sound as well and you have a lot of time since you can hear it from 2km out.
Good, so tell us your magic.
Further proves the point that LWS is a niche tool only useful against bottom of the barrel players.
You can’t stop proving my points, you’re obsessed.
If people don’t feel the need to laze then LWS can’t get triggered.
Pigeons have extremely small heads, but still.
Moving slightly will mess up a missile that controls itself (FnF).
Moving slightly will mess up a missile that you control via a stabilized sight.
Pick your poison, I know it’s tough.
Definitely, they are more versatile and can even engage aircraft, but that wasn’t the argued part.
Do you need reading classes alongside Honda, I’m more than happy to pay for some tuition.
lol the truth must hurt.
If you want someone to gift you an apache that desperately, just say so bro
Why would I think that, you’re imagining things yet again.
CCs, the only and final truth.
Especially from that guy.
Because you seem to think that post-pen damage outweighs the hellfires biggest flaw which is to actually hit targets.
So yes, simple minded thinking like “but muh HE mass” makes me to believe you think that.
A CC that only makes educational WT content? Yeah man, try something else lol
Weighing out stuff like that is hard, hence why we have stat-based balancing instead of performance-based on.
Just because I’m a self proclaimed educator doesn’t mean I’m right.
It’s not. You’re shifting the goal post again. Look at the weapon data and you’ll see why the Vikhrs is superior than the hellfire when it comes to it’s AT duties.
You’re right, which is why people don’t take you seriously. He makes factual and unbiased content which is why he’s credible. If all he did was wrongly guess and assume how something would perform (like what you’re doing), then he would have no audience today.