Where is LWS America?

[An_Pigeon]

@MotorolaCRO

Meanwhile Laser struggles everywhere and only really works in niche cases.

No? I use laser guided weapons a vast amount of vehicles from 10.3 roughly all the way to top tier?

Just because you can get FnF doesn’t mean it’s always better.
Gbu8s are lock and drop , id much rather my laser guided bombs due to distance at which they can be used…

@MotorolaCRO

Layer of awareness against niche system, great.
Not to mention that your awareness might not come until the last moments, where reacting to it might not be possible.

2 things here man.
1- the missiles or bombs to land on a target actually do need to be guided in, even if you do not lase then till the last 3 or 4 second its more than enough time to pop smoke and move, i was doing it not a few days ago in the raam sagol and merkava mk3s.
Against Vikhrs no less so not a slow missile at all.

2 - it is extremely handy to get a bead on people who may be using a laser range finder on you, allows you to wiggle and move to then return fire.

You’re selling the LWS short massively on what it can help with.
Ground atgms as well do as well show up for the most part.

@MotorolaCRO

Even one of the best manually guided missiles pales in comparison to FnF ones, speaks

It doesn’t pale in comparison? It’s still a strong useful missile to the point where im now working towards the Ka52 as well as the Ah64E.

@MotorolaCRO

This is under the premise people will automatically pop smoke the very second they get a Laser warning, which is honestly very naive.

If you play the game and have used cas. You should know roughly what is lasing you

[MotorolaCRO]

@An_Pigeon

Mate it is in fact handy between 10.3 and 12.7.

I’m talking about top tier, not 10.3.

@An_Pigeon

Just because you can get FnF doesn’t mean it’s always better.

FnF is extremely better in most cases, practically making Laser a niche choice.

@An_Pigeon

You’re selling the LWS short massively on what it can help with.

At top tier ?
No I’m not.

@An_Pigeon

Ground atgms as well do as well show up for the most part.

Let’s not pretend that top tier ATGMs that trigger LWS are a common sight.

@An_Pigeon

It doesn’t pale in comparison? It’s still a strong useful missile to the point where im now working towards the Ka52 as well as the Ah64E.

Strong and useful when AAs aren’t around.

LMUR, JAGM and company are the meta for a very good reason. The efficiency of those things is simply much higher than it is for any other missiles, there’s no denying that.

@An_Pigeon

If you play the game and have used cas. You should know roughly what is lasing you

Keyword roughly.
Remember how you need to smoke instantly if you want to survive a missile that’s already really close, so no time to think about it, while also worrying about other things happening around you.

You consistently smoking out yourself and your position pretty much kills your gameplay. Not to mention you need to have smokes in the first place.

Something like APS is infinitely more useful than just LWS, as you don’t need to interrupt your gameplay to make use of the system to survive something.
Not to mention it works on a lot more stuff.

So yeah, at top tier LWS is a bottom of the barrel utility, probably in line with gun launched missiles.

[An_Pigeon]

@MotorolaCRO

I’m talking about top tier, not 10.3.

An Pigeon:

10.3 and 12.7 which is top tier mate.

@MotorolaCRO

FnF is extremely better in most cases, practically making Laser a niche choice.

An Pigeon:

If you have access to FnF mate, I’ve used both on platforms as well?
One isn’t objectively better than the other as FnF has errors of where it will hit, and it’s guidance etc.

@MotorolaCRO

At top tier ?
No I’m not.

From a person who uses both CAS and ground at top tier regulalarly, yes you are.
The LWS can both save you from CAS attacks if you are paying attention as well.

You also as a CAS player notice how much the LWS helps notify people to your presence. not everyone is using FnF weapons mate, not everyone has access to them.
that’s the point we are making. Not every single persons hurling HAMMERS, KH38 or LMURs out.

@MotorolaCRO

Let’s not pretend that top tier ATGMs that trigger LWS are a common sight.

An Pigeon:

I’m sorry? what? xD most systems which aren’t beam riding trigger it. That’s not debatable, most nations don’t have a top teir ATGM slinger. that isn’t firing stuff like spikes. which most times they will use the LRF as well as fire teh spike, thus alerting to the tank to the firing of both a cannon and spike missile.
Again if you are paying attention.

@MotorolaCRO

Strong and useful when AAs aren’t around.

Nothing right now without DAZZLER is useful when the top tier AA are around, not even things like mig29 SMT etc.

@MotorolaCRO

LMUR, JAGM and company are the meta for a very good reason.

“And company” what is and company to these missiles? there only two helis which have them also have the dazzler system.
The KA52 is still a great heli even if there are SPAA up.

@MotorolaCRO

Remember how you need to smoke instantly if you want to survive a missile that’s already really close, so no time to think about it, while also worrying about other things happening around you.

Smoke instantly? you can smoke 2 or 3 seconds out and it will still miss.

@MotorolaCRO

so no time to think about it, while also worrying about other things happening around you.

I’ve plenty time to think about it again if you’ve got experience at the BRs you know exactly how to utalise it.

@MotorolaCRO

You consistently smoking out yourself and your position pretty much kills your gameplay. Not to mention you need to have smokes in the first place.

Who has LWS before smokes? That I find weird.
As well as that the smoking out your locations better than getting hammered into the ground by a missile no?
Irregardless of the smoke, you smoke and reposition to avoid being locked up again, not as if you just sit there and smoke every time theres a missile.

@MotorolaCRO

Something like APS is infinitely more useful than just LWS, as you don’t need to interrupt your gameplay to make use of the system to survive something.
Not to mention it works on a lot more stuff.

Eh APS is extremely limited in use as well, most only providing limited cover over specific arcs for 2 shots. Once they are out, a missile can get through that.
I would know I’ve used the BN and VT4A1 enough.

@MotorolaCRO

So yeah, at top tier LWS is a bottom of the barrel utility, probably in line with gun launched missiles.

That’s an extremely subjective opinion, LWS also gives you the location of ground units lazing you for ranging, which again is extremely handy for identify where they actually are.

[HondaCivici]

I’m not gonna answer all of them as @An_Pigeon has already answered most of them and I agree with most of what he said

@MotorolaCRO

No one said they’re safe, just that they have more time to hide now.

It’s quite obvious that you don’t play helicopters. You have to hide behind a wall which like mountain or a building. Both of which are not that common.

You cannot simply “hide” by sticking low to the ground. the arch of the IRIST goes extremely high.

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@MotorolaCRO

So yeah, pretty much an useless addition.

crazy conclusion but okay. Mpat rounds bust also be useless then?

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@MotorolaCRO

Keep in mind that your precision strike machine is hard countered by 2020 AAs.

they aren’t. any ka52 will tell you that. the JAGM SAL is the first viable LOS competitor to the vikhrs

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@MotorolaCRO

LWS system isn’t weightless.

how much do you think it weighs?

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@MotorolaCRO

Not to mention that your awareness might not come until the last moments, where reacting to it might not be possible.

Also ignoring (again) that this only works against stationary targets. one moving you have to be lasing them constantly.

If they have an LWS and is moving, they can either get into cover or pop smoke

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@MotorolaCRO

All the while praying that AA player is bad enough to proxy on your missiles.

Any competent player will move to a place where an spaa will least except it. Spaa will usually be placed in the defensive.

It’s a mach 2+ missile so by the time, an spaa realizes that there’s a helicopter, they will be forced to intercept or else they’ll be destroyed.

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@MotorolaCRO

This is under the premise people will automatically pop smoke the very second they get a Laser warning, which is honestly very naive.

Which the majority do… It’s not that difficult.

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@MotorolaCRO

No need to play CAS in order to know that Laser is niche, it’s pretty much a simple observation in late 2025.

That’s your opinion but okay. Guess the countless times, my jagms missing a merkava, type 10, type 99 was my imagination…

This is the same energy of saying the the hellfires is equivalent to the vikhrs while playing neither

oh wait…

I’ve yet to see a piece of evidence that proves Hellfires are inferior to Vikhrs when it comes to AT duties.

[MotorolaCRO]

@An Pigeon

10.3 and 12.7 which is top tier mate.

At 12.7 it’s nothing more than a niche system that’s rendered useless in most cases. You can disagree with me if you want but my discussion about that ends here.

@An Pigeon

One isn’t objectively better than the other as FnF has errors of where it will hit, and it’s guidance etc.

That’s why I wrote in most cases.
Laser has niche uses.

@An Pigeon

The LWS can both save you from CAS attacks if you are paying attention as well.

Have I said it couldn’t ?
You also ignored my points on smoking yourself out and how that negatively affects your gameplay.

@An Pigeon

not everyone is using FnF weapons mate, not everyone has access to them.

Majority of nations do in fact have access to FnF weapons, so we’re yet again back to Laser being niche at top tier.

@An Pigeon

Not every single persons hurling HAMMERS, KH38 or LMURs out.

You’re pretty much making my point as majority does in fact use FnF weapons.

@An Pigeon

I’m sorry? what? xD most systems which aren’t beam riding trigger it.

And most systems at top tier are either beam riding or FnF.
Your point ?

@An Pigeon

which most times they will use the LRF as well as fire teh spike, thus alerting to the tank to the firing of both a cannon and spike missile.

Why should anyone use LRF before firing a FnF missile ?
It’s literally negative IQ gameplay.

@An Pigeon

Nothing right now without DAZZLER is useful

So we come back to SACLOS AAs which are hard countered by FnF missiles.

@An Pigeon

“And company” what is and company to these missiles? there only two helis which have them also have the dazzler system.

Chinese ones maybe ?

@An Pigeon

Smoke instantly? you can smoke 2 or 3 seconds out and it will still miss.

How can you know how much time you have until impact ?

@An Pigeon

Who has LWS before smokes? That I find weird.

?
First of all, smokes have limited uses as far as I know.
Second of all, LWS is pretty much always bundled with LRF and that modification is often a tier or two lower than smokes.

@An Pigeon

As well as that the smoking out your locations better than getting hammered into the ground by a missile no?

Someone can laze you to annoy you, doesn’t mean a missile is on your way.

@An Pigeon

Irregardless of the smoke, you smoke and reposition to avoid being locked up again, not as if you just sit there and smoke every time theres a missile.

Good old repositioning argument, like we play on huge maps and have room to move around.

@An Pigeon

I would know I’ve used the BN

I’ve used it as well and that thing is infinitely more useful than some system that will make you paranoid and pop smoke at basically any sign of danger.

@An Pigeon

That’s an extremely subjective opinion, LWS also gives you the location of ground units lazing you for ranging, which again is extremely handy for identify where they actually are.

You simply can’t react in time to someone lazing you from an average engagement distance and firing a shot. Also, someone can laze the ground around you and get a really accurate range without even giving you a warning.

It’s funny how LWS can be more of an annoyance than helpful in plenty of cases lol.

[MotorolaCRO]

For most of that refer to my post above.

@HondaCivici

Also ignoring (again) that this only works against stationary targets. one moving you have to be lasing them constantly.

Again, tanks have predictable paths and have very limited maneuvering capabilities, so manually guiding the missile in the predicted path shouldn’t be hard. Laser locks can also be interrupted by soft cover so it’s better to keep an eye on the missile anyways.

@HondaCivici

Any competent player will move to a place where an spaa will least except it. Spaa will usually be placed in the defensive.

It’s a mach 2+ missile so by the time, an spaa realizes that there’s a helicopter, they will be forced to intercept or else they’ll be destroyed.

Yes, competent AA players surely don’t hide from good helicopter spots and are forced to react by proxying a salvo of Vikhrs, effectively running themselves out of all missiles.

The amount of bullshit masked as “arguments” I’ll read on this forum will eventually make me abandon this cesspool.

@HondaCivici

Which the majority do… It’s not that difficult.

So you can basically lock out players from playing the game by simply lazing them for a second.
This game is beyond saving.

@HondaCivici

That’s your opinion but okay.

No it’s not.
In late 2025 it’s pretty much matter of a fact.

@HondaCivici

This is the same energy of saying the the hellfires is equivalent to the vikhrs while playing neither

oh wait…

You still haven’t produced anything on that to counter my claim and apparently you’re still thinking about it, so I hope you aren’t losing any sleep over it. That’s actually funny and sad at the same time, which doesn’t happen often to be fair.