By nobody you mean USA mains?
For example another 4+ generation fighter aircraft after " Storm Warning " update in the future
- J-11B Late (Block 9)
- MiG-29KR
- Su-30MKI (late)
- JF-17C
- F-16V (Block 70/72 standard)
- F-16C PoBIT (Block 70/72 standard)
- F/A-18C (AN/APG-79(V)4)
- F/A-18E/F Blk 2
- J-11BG/J-11BHG
True, but it is just annoying how Gaijin is speedrunning its way to the “endgame” of the Air trees when there are tons of Gen 3 and 4 aircraft skipped. Especially when a lot of the capabilities of these Gen 4 and above airframes effectively mean nothing because of outdated gamemodes.
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You’re not exactly an “Average” player LMAO. Most players struggle to flare anything that isn’t a 9L
Gaijin is profiting off the constant imbalance, as players rush to buy premium jets and premium time to grind the most “meta” nation. A meta which is constantly changing, a state of constant imbalance that incites infighting between different groups and shifts attention from the real problem… This parallels real-world mechanisms so perfectly.
War Thunder players should come together to stop this madness. Yet, most of us fail to realize the greater struggle in favour of fighting small and insignificant battles.
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So a preliminary list of 4.5 gen planes would be something like:
🇷🇺: Su-27SM3, Su-35S, Su-30SM/SM2, MiG-29M/K, MiG-35
🇺🇸: F/A-18E, F-16V + further Eagle/Mudhen upgrades
🇨🇳: J-11B, J-15, J-16, J-10B/C
🇸🇪: Gripen E
🇮🇱: Sufa
🇩🇪/🇬🇧/🇮🇹: more Typhoon blocks
🇫🇷: Rafale B/M + more blocks
🇯🇵: F-2
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Also Su-35 a.k.a. Su-27M
I was always wondering why the Su-27/33/35 all looked the same to me…
Would it be up to standard in terms of avionics? I haven’t been able to find much info regarding its radar, rwr, etc
The US already has the F-15E along with Israel in the form of the F-15I. They are perfectly capable of going toe to toe with eurofighters. I never once mentioned the US in this thread and I frankly think they’re doing perfectly fine, they’ve been cruising through since the Tomcat got added.
What I’m concerned about mainly, and excuse the personal bias (its the nation I play that I realize is consistently getting shafted) is Russia.
Russia since air superiority and even to an extent Apex Predators have had either their flight performance or avionics eat dirt, with even the saving grace missiles R-27ER being brought to near redundancy in the face of ARH missiles, and the R-77 combined with the N001 being the most ultimately sub-par top tier vehicle in the current meta, and I will challenge you to find something worse. The only reason it is works out is because people are so utterly braindead that they basically feed you kills. Before the 20km HMD change it was even worse because your radar already was horrendous when acquiring something and you had to wait for the enemy to get <=10 km away for you to do anything.
Now with the Eurofighter being introduced and Russia hitting their distinctive 90s developmental gap it is looking grim for game balance, And the worst part is nothing is gonna be remedied about it it seems because you usually get the following answers.
- [Russian bias claim]
- [We suffered so you need to as well]
- [Politics]
- [Copepost about Russia being hIStoRIcallY bad at everything IRL]
War Thunder also has a huge victim mentality combined with bitter vengeance style playerbase where they basically latch onto the mentality mentioned in point 2 above there and ride with it.
For basically every other nation that already could compete… Because they were already competitive.
You betcha. And half the actual issues with other nations wont be remedied.
Once again another issue with this community and their rambling copeposts with unfounded claims, its something you learn to deal with I guess.
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It really isn’t, and this shouldn’t even be an issue if you value ‘balance’ since the Rafale will still be worse than the F-15E/I in the meta, so in practice the only beneficiary here are the 3 nations with the longest history of ‘suffering’ getting a jet that has been requested for years now, and it’s an issue now because America is 2nd best??? like cmon bro where is the logic here
Just wait for 2nd or 3rd dev server for the love of god, i’m not happy that we are missing the J-10B either but give them a chance to put in in the game, because making noise won’t do anything now when it could be getting worked on right now for this update
It’s the developers games they choose when and which vehicles they implement.
Not really, Irbis falls behind NATO AESA quite considerably, it will be a powerful radar but lacking in accuracy and modern features.
RWR will be a digital like the other top tier RU aircraft, the main highlights of the Su-35S will be the TVC and capability to field every modern russian AAM, R-37M included iirc.
Oh and china gets them too, so good for REDFOR generally
Well sorta, there is only so long they can prolong aircraft if their equivalents are being added (J-10B should come this patch since it’s a gateway aircraft between J-10A and J-10C plus it’s an early 4.5) and enough complaining will prompt them to add it if the model is complete
Apologies, I’ve just heard so much complaining particularly from US players that I failed to read your conversation properly.
I have said it earlier in this thread that I think Russia need an R-77 fix of some kind, 77-1 would be fine if they can’t fix the drag issue on the 77. I think Russia could also do with a SU-30 of some kind, I’m not super familiar with Russian aircraft IRL or in game but I hear the FM of the SU-27 sucks, and I figure a canard equipped version might be better IDK, the other option would be a MiG–29K as that would be a FM improvement over the SMT as well as having 8 missile pylons. I also think that Sweden should get the JAS 39NG or JAS 39E(early) which would give it 8 A2A missiles including 6 AMRAAMs, this could also in theory have gone to Thailand with them ordering some E variants earlier this year. Honestly those changes may not be enough right now, but alongside the Eurofighter fixing Germany, Italy, and Britain’s top tiers, that would be the most balanced the game has been for a long while in my mind.
Personally, I fly a few different nations, China primarily at the moment, though I am now working on Britain and slowly working my way through the US and Russia, so I don’t mind terribly who has the best aircraft, just that for overall enjoyment that every nation has something worthwhile and capable.
The thing that has been driving me crazy this patch is US players acting so hard done by when their currently best in class aircraft might stop being the top dog, like it won’t still be highly competetive while other nations, like Russia and Sweden now, don’t have anything even as good as the F-15C, let alone the F-15E.
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So many cold war jet missing:(
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There is an expectation for some sort of parity across trees but no guarantee. All you can do is wait e.g. ICE—> Typhoon
I’d rather they fix the R-77 instead of bandaiding the R-77-1 onto the problem, because when more advanced ARH missiles come we’re still gonna have the busted PID and drag of the R-77 problem.
Same thing as the R-77, the issue is the obscene amounts of drag and Gaijin knowing the FM is broken and not fixing it because it’s “not significant enough”
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Oh no the best jets arent in america or russia, noooooo!!!
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