Title says it all. Is there any plane or family that should be a big “avoid me!” sign for the BF-109-G2 on energy dogfights, and possibly BnZ?
Spitfire, Zero
Also
Fundamentally, the Bf109 shouldn’t engage in dogfights
It’s better to fight hit-and-run battles
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To put it bluntly, all of them.
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Your playstyle is not to directly engage in turnfights but to utilize energy management and climb rate to exploit the opponent’s energy state
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109 designed for dogfight and excels in energy fights while 190’s are more suited for BnZ even tho they also excel in dogfight.
109 doesn’t really compete in strict turning dogfights.
but man, do I love stall fighting/energy fighting in 109s. some of the most fun you will have
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no 190 in this entire game is good at dogfighting, and the 109 is not good at turnfighting, only energy fighting
Energy fighting is part of dogfighting in military aviation books.
Also in real life 109’s were able to go toe toe with many allied planes in dogfight while 190’s were mostly used for BNZ tactics despite their good dogfight capabilities.
In WT terminology, people mean turnfighting when they say dogfighting, and they mean utilizing energy states to your advantage to stall out the opponent when referring to energy fighting.
Sure but WT is not realistic
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In WT energy fight is also part of dogfighting considering you’re actively trying to beat your opponent in 1vs1, now sure late 109’s are not on par with other planes in terms of turnfighting but that doesnt mean they are bad in dogfights.
It used to be. I remember when couple years ago they changed 109’s flight performance and they were incredibly good at both dogfighting and BNZ.
190’s also recieved same treatment but got nerfed quite fast iirc.
Sure, literally every single type of aerial combat boils down to “energy fighting” in props, but that is not what I am telling you. I am telling you that the average wt user saying “energy fighting” specifically are referring to:
The amount of situations you can win a direct 1v1 dogfight without utilizing a superior energy state is about 5x less common than the times you will lose quickly and bluntly by the other guy straight up turning inside you in every moment because the 109 has a very mediocre turn rate. It relies on energy states, not ratefighting/one circles/scissors etc. This applies to every 109 in game, even the lighter ones like E or F series. The G/K series are strict BnZ and/or “energy fighting” planes and can’t engage in direct 1v1s like that at close range against most contemporary opponents.
Mouse aim mode restricts the 109 a lot but in sim using the leading edge slats it can do fairly well.
It’s still best to just exploit its speed, acceleration, and climb advantage to play in the vertical.
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Couple years ago those tactics were the key to win in 109’s….
Damn seems like everything has changed ever since I left the props for top tier jets, not gonna lie sometimes I miss the good old prop dogfights but my heart belongs to modern predators.
idk bf-109 is pretty goated imo.
you can nuke anyone if you know what ur doing
just keep ur speed up, pull hard when you need to, dont pull at all when you need to. and keep ur energy up.
and then you run into a yak 3 and your day is ruined X)
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I wasn’t talking about turnfighting though
FW190 A1 feels pretty decent if you use verticles
And I wasn’t responding to you
But stay under 500 km/h.
Too steep an angle drops you below the enemy, bleeding energy. For Boom & Zoom around 500 km/h, the P-51, Fw 190 or Yak are far better suited.
…Wait, what was the Bf 109’s strength again?
BnZ is goated for 109 as well. 109 is just the perfect all rounder with the firepower of a truck