If you think A-7s are “mediocre” as fighters, you are using the correct definition and think that of dozens of aircraft among their BRs as well.
Cause they are average, and average in good hands is good.
There is no meta 11.0 fighter, though F-5AG comes close due to the 9L capability.
There’s the J-7D at 10.7.
There’s the Su-25 at 10.3 that’s the best fighter… which is ironic.
You have to remember there are ~30 static ground targets.
At 10 rounds per target, that’s 300 rounds expended. I have 500 rounds in A-7K.
AGM-65Bs if I wanted to hit moving targets, but I’m not greedy when it comes to score so I’ll keep the lower weight.
If you are over-arming your aircraft for the task, you are flying inefficiently.
I’m getting Thunderer with just the internal cannon.
This aircraft is at the same BR as the MiG-23MF, calling it “mediocre” as a fighter is being incredibly generous. Almost any aircraft with an afterburner can simply dictate the terms of any engagement. If I’m going to fly the A7K at all I’m going to fly it to strike ground targets. The internal cannon has a much shorter effective range for that task and requires more concentration than rocket pods, and I also need to conserve it’s ammunition to use for self defense.
funny thing is you could do thunderer with basically any plane that has a good enough cannon, which kinda invalidates the whole “its good for that one wager tho” argument
Its just a fact, the a-7k could be moved down to 10.7 and would do just fine. There is no world where a mig 21bis would lose against one no matter the altitude which ever one starts at. I dont think it should go any lower but i dont think anything with all aspects should be bellow 10.7.
And all mig 23s should be moved up by one bracket anyway, they all over perform for the br. Mig 21 bis included.
1- How in the world that attackers get ground ordnance, become over-arming?
2- You rationalised Tonka had the same BR as MiG-23ML 'because Tonka can frag more ground targets thanks to 10 1000lb bombs (Which itself is true overarming, unlike the A-7 case)
And other jets with M61 can also get Thunderer, and it cannot rationalise overrated BR.
I reckon I told you about this in Su-7 topic.
If we just think this is true just for arguing’s sake, even though it isn’t.
Both MiG-21SMT and J35XS can fight better than Su-25.
You know… F8U-2 are 10.3BR, while F-5A/C are 10.7BR.
Oh, you completely forgot that you claimed Tornado GR.1 are fine ground attacker because it can carry lots of 1000lb, and that is why it is 11.7BR…
Because napalm cannot frag pillboxes…
When base bombing with napalm was better for meta.
You claimed that Tonka has higher BR because it can get better average reward netting because 1000lb bombs can frag ground targets.
when every other Tonka-lovers disagreeing about those.
And now, in A-7K topic… In this topic…
You are defending A-7K need to be 11.0BR when it isn’t as good as other 11.0BR jets.
Defending Ground Attacker’s overrated BR with ‘I can get thunderer quite easily’ is worst way to defend ground attackers since matches in ARB are usually dictated by A2A PvP killing, and ground attackers are not built for that.
When the Mig-21s were nerfed a couple years ago, SMT was correctly made worse than the Mig-21MF in dogfights.
In flat out speed, SMT still wins, just not in the dogfights anymore.
Both on 50% fuel:
@Stockholm_Blend
Mig-21MF is the best of the 10.3 Mig-21s.
J35XS has not been good since the nerfs to its flight model.
F8U-2 isn’t as good as F-5A/C [which showcases in their BR], and F-5As themselves get out-dogfought against Su-25s bringing their anti-air loadout.
The 10.3 - 11.3 subsonics have capabilities that allow them to turnfight [in air BR, not speaking on 1v1s] most things of their own BRs and below.
That leaves A-7K in a weird situation where it does deal with a number of aircraft with its AIM-9L, flight performance, and Vulcan.
And it doesn’t help that the 10.3 - 11.3 subsonic aircraft are balanced to each other.
So stuff like J-7D, F-5AG, etc being under-BR’d causes issues.
On another note: Tornado GR1 should never be the same BR as Mig-23MLD, I’ve exclusively stated this.
We need proper BR decompression in the BR range of 10.0 to 14.0 so that vehicle like A-7K which are struggling at current BR would be placed in a much better postion
However I don’t really see any issue of moving down A-7K ngl, and hence it should be moved down IMO
As Schindibee said, Attackers should not be played like fighter and played as a strike aircraft and in a suited game mode (which is air sim and ground RB), and i completely agree with them. But the issue is that most player play Air RB which is not really suited for strike aircraft since you would need to fight other jets as well to attack ground targets, and some player might just find it difficult adjusting to Sim and they might get even more annoyed while playing sim thanks to few things not working.
The solution to this IMO is a new game mode like nuclear thunder or SEAD event with lower number of players and no name tags
Still generally better than Su-25 due to being supersonic jets with a reheater, and more missiles, which are fancy to kill flareless targets in downtier
I really wonder why you chose the Su-25 as the best 10.3 fighter jet.
Being supersonic always give advanatage compared to subsonic, dictating where and how to fight.
A-10 probably could beat supersonic jets in a turn fight, but Supersonic jets can choose when to fight.
Just like that, 11.0BR supersonic fighter jets can choose when and how to fight against A-7K, and A-7K has a massive disadvantage. I still can’t forget Gaijin stuck them in 11.3BR before.
About this part, if we consider that Gaijin keeps undertiered jets for months or years, and turnfight capability, this sounds more like rationalising overtiering turnfighters.
Such as, sending Re2005 into 6.3BR to make them tie with P-51H, or Sending A6M5 Ko from 5.3 to 5.7 when P-51D-30 can BnZ better than those, or Keeping Vampire in 8.0BR when better F-86A-5 got buffed from 8.3 to 8.0
I reckon your earlier statements were different by context, but discussing Tonka more seems off-topic.
The J7d is arguably the best due to having the lighter weight airframe of the mf but with a better engine. Although i think the bis comes out on top slightly, if we dont account for missiles the mig-21s has an smt engine but on a lighter air frame so that could also be seen as one of the best…
UPDATE
Spading the A-7K at 11.0 ARB was honestly brutal. Constantly fighting against faster jets, better missiles, and getting punished hard for every mistake. It’s a grind, no question… but man, once you learn it, the aircraft itself is an absolute beast and still a ton of fun to fly. the 9L’s work great when enemy’s are out of flares. by the time if/u reach the battlefield and or bases (if any are left) to bomb. Was the challenge fun? no. Is the aircraft sweet as hell? come with kewl tricky weps? yes. Thanks for everyone’s input on this thread. If anyone has any more ARB strats for this Airframe, HMU.
Actually, these attackers are not good in GRB as well. Most of nations have power spaas and free spaas around 10.3-11.3, unless you like to spend over 5mins to climb to 9k and wait for a leaser guide bomb drop on the ground over 30s
