Was honestly pretty disappointed after the April BR changes not to see the A-7K Corsair II moved down, because in its current state at 11.0 it simply doesn’t get meaningful playtime compared to other option, it lacks the speed, air-to-air capability, and survivability needed to compete in up-tiers, while also not offering enough unique advantages to justify bringing it out regularly. What am I missing? A small BR reduction would have made it far more viable and enjoyable, encouraging players to actually use the aircraft instead of leaving it sidelined in favor of stronger, more versatile jets. Thank you for all input :)
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bomb tax
we asked gaijin to add seperate BRs for ground battles so ground attack planes can go down in air modes but what they did instead is they only moved them up in ground modes
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ok, i understand that 10000% givin the other similar airframes have “less” to choose from in the bomba category. but eleven point zero?? sheesh :(< thanks for clearing that up. Guess this is one that will have to stay in the rear with the gear and hope theres base when I get there lol. cheers, BTW i really love the aircraft. shame…
What makes it 11.0?
Bomb tax + 2x AIM-L’s.
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The same reason AV-8S is 11.0: Aim-9Ls.
Though the A-7K has notably better dogfight performance than the AV-8S as well.
It can’t be moved down cause all other subsonic aircraft worse than it are 10.7 and below.
A-10A for example would need to be moved from 10.7 to 10.3 if A-7K was moved down, let alone the other subsonic aircraft.
A-7K is not a wonder weapon, it is however better than most to all other 10.7 subsonic aircraft in the game, and at least equal to most subsonic 11.0s in the game.
There are under-BR’d F-5s present that need to be addressed as well.
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Do you know that the A-7K has two fewer AIM-9Ls compared to the SHAR FRS.1 or AV-8S?
I think not.
Think about FRS.1e
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@Stockholm_Blend
Dude, it feels like you didn’t read my post:
A-7s of equal armament will always be better than Harrier 1s in air to air combat.
There’s a reason Harrier 2s are also a higher BR than AV-8S.
The post you responded to refuted your post, and this one will refute any future doubling down.
Edit corrected a mistake at the beginning.
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It still doesn’t get underwing Sidewinders?
I really love the moment when YOU want to frame someone with silly false info.
Do you REALLY think I can reply without reading your post?
Probably in paper. So, here is a question
Can A-7 dogfight better than real supersonic dogfighters such as F-5 or MiG-21bis?
The answer is NO.
Simple as Bear Eats Beets. /j
IN PAPER, A-7 might better dogfighter than Harrier.
But just don’t ignore the fact that both A-7 and Harrier I can act only as a missile bus.
More countermeasures, better engine and RWR, and AIM-9M.
Refute any future Doubling down? Pff.
I never knew that you are somewhat kinda of prophet or something
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AFAIK, A-7K seems still stuck with 2x Missile
Well what I meant was ‘in current status’
Aaand AIM-95 seems fun.
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@Stockholm_Blend
A-7s can’t produce energy as quickly, but they most certainly out-turnfight Mig-21Bis:
Even a third of the way through the match, A-7K is out-turnfighting Mig-21Bis:
This is why I always climbed in my Thai A-7E, without exception. Can’t produce a lot of energy, but gravity is a pretty good way of getting more energy.
I didn’t use the American A-7s as fighters when I used them near their release, and that was my mistake, but I studied and applied this knowledge for the A-7E in Japan’s tech tree. And people are turnfighting A-7s thinking they’re worse than their aircraft, when the A-7 is most certainly better.
A-7 has never been a missile bus.
AIM-9Ls also aren’t AIM-9Ms. Not sure where you got the idea that the 2 11.3 Harrier 2s have AIM-9Ms.
AV-8S also has more countermeasures than the American Harrier 2.
And yes, my prediction was proven correct. You doubled down and my previous post refuted your response as well as this one.
Edit:
@TPS_Hydra proves why you shouldn’t have brought up the Mig-21Bis: J-7D and J-7E are superior dogfighters.
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And failing to create energy quickly can only be ignored in the Era of Sabre or Zeros.
For example, the Harrier can turn on a sharp turn if you VIFF, can have slight chance of outturning the enemy.
But generally, no one calls Harrier 1 a better dogfighter than F-5. Because they cannot keep things up.
If you go full turnfight with the enemy MiG, you might have a chance to gun her down, and no matter how you win or not, you will be sitting ducks. AND eventually get stabbed by other lads.
Both Corsair 2 or Harrier 1/2.
An improvised stopgap is better than never, but you understand sideclimbing cannot be a magical solution just like Bluetac. A-7 could fight better than expected, I would rather fight with her fighter cousin Crusader. Reheaters, extra missile counts, and more reasonable BR.
No, A-7 is usually an act missile bus or ground pounder.
You mentioned Harrier 2, and there are Harrier GR.7 sitting in 12.3BR with AIM-9M.
Where did you get your idea that No Harrier 2 has AIM-9M?
Chili’s? Or while drinking in Poor Richard’s?
I don’t think your prediction is proven correct and you just want to cope with it hard.
He keeps forgetting that MiG-21Bis can just play vertical or energy trap against A-7K easily and even if assume Bis pilot is bad he can just simply reset the fight by simply extending away thanks to its superior AB engine and low parasite drag advantage.
MiG-21bis doesnt have to fight against A7K in sustain fight, it can simply finish its job with couple turns.
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@Stockholm_Blend
Not sure why you’re calling climbing toward the enemy “sideclimbing”… are you new to air? Cause you’re misusing terms constantly, and misidentifying aircraft.
The worse thing is if you actually sideclimb in War Thunder… It is far, far more strategically strong to climb with your team, even if you’re out-climbing your team, it’s best to have your team below you than in another part of the map.
Harrier 1 can’t pull AOA anywhere close to what Mig-21Bis and A-7 can, let alone sustain as well as A-7.
If the Mig-21 takes a dogfight with an A-7, they die to the A-7 and/or the A-7s lads.
A-7 might go from 7000 meters to 5000.
@Panther2995
Me: “Mig-21Bis can go vertical.”
You: “Alvis saying that Mig-21Bis can go vertical is him ignoring the fact he stated.”
And Mig-21Bis will be without a frag in a couple turns.
The Mig-21Bis also has to get the A-7 to drop from 7000 - 8000 meters down to sea level before it can do that tactic, and that’s plenty of time for the A-7 to win or to bait the Mig-21Bis into a bad maneuver.
Air RB isn’t 1v1s, and A-7s if they’re playing smart are above 7000 meters going into the battlefield.
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On top of that, the act of going vertical is an energy draining process that is… telegraphed to the opponent.
The amount of aircraft I’ve let do their verticals so I could have a better advantageous position for dogfights is in the hundreds at the minimum.
Attacking the slightest term of using words,
I reckon you got what I meant and you just scrapped those into the bin!
Just for ignoring the whole counterclaim and yelling “I am right, and you all are skilless.”
Climbing, Sideclimbing, Jumping, or whatever you do to maintain altitude
You know that it is a stopgap measure which cannot fully cover the disadvantage of being a subsonic strike jet with a reheat-less engine
Man, you are acting like Toby but wrong.
Yes. Harrier can pull worse than A-7.
But you are ignoring the context
What I meant by those is “Both Corsair and Harrier cannot fight well against MiG-21bis or F-5. So even though AV-8S and A-7K have flight spec differences, it is worthless in an in-game match.”
And MiG-25PD drooling their saliva for the want to shove a large R-40 into your belly.
While allies are going on a literal massacre.
In both ways.
They will frag almost all of the enemies before you do something
Or almost all of them got shot down and forced to do 1vN.
@Stockholm_Blend
The entire match is a 25 minute stop-gap. Going down that goalpost won’t change things.
A-7 also has 60 - 90 chaff depending on your preference, it’s not dying to radar missiles unless the player lets them.
Also I highly doubt that any team can end a match in 30 seconds: 30 seconds is the disparity in distance between a climbing A-7 and the fastest friendlies on the deck. Though typically it’s ~20 seconds.
Oh, and you know what.
There are other examples such as
Norwegian blue which isn’t pining for the fjord.
Norwegian F-5A(G).
F-5A armed with a pair of AIM-9L exists in the same 11.0BR.
Is there any proper reason that A-7K need to remain 11.0BR?
Seems to tie her along with Bucc S2B or SHAR FRS.1e in 10.7 looks fairer.
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Buccaneer is inferior to A-7K, and F-5AG is under-BR’d.
A-10A is far worse than A-7K and is 10.7 already.
AV-8S has worse flight performance, but gets 2 more 9Ls at 11.0.
A-6E TRAM is 3 missiles + 1 gun, with worse flight performance at 10.7.
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