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If you have been excessively passive. People will complain, it is not enjoyable trying to find some random person who is AFK 40km away because they don’t know how to play the game
Having such players on your team is not fun either, but I doubt teammates care that much
Here’s an idea - he’s not you - his idea of fun and/or what he’s trying to achieve is different to yours…
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Scroll down, he provided basically 0 contribution to a team.
I don’t understand how people can claim that that is passive.
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being a base bombing noob in a fighter is passive behaviour
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my personal opinion is that Base bombing in anything that isnt a dedicated bomber (think lancasters to Varks) is intentionally going out of your way to avoid the role your aircraft is meant to undertake (player vs player plus attacking ground AI if youre a strike aircraft)
this is an action which creates passive and non proactive gameplay that in reality doesnt benefit the team (almost every match is determined by last man standing and if its not its from people killing the AI ground targets)
If they player is present but acting no different to the Wyvern bots from a couple years ago i do think it should be HEAVILY discouraged and punished on the extreme end.
Do i think it should cause any penalties? not one bit, instead all rewards from base bombing in a fighter should be so poor that its practically wortless in SL and RP gain. Strike aircraft punished less but they should focus ground AI. only bombers should get good rewards for being a bomber.
if they dont at least try and PvP and instead airfield camp or space climb then they should see actual punishment
He´s griefing the team by flying his Su-33 or w/e loaded with bombs into 10k alt,40km away from battlefield,then coming in to bomb,and contiuing flying in god knows where. Now you get more of those in a team and its not fun loosing every game cause people like this, already paired with normal base rushers where they just fly to base,bomb it,and fly away to stay alive.
I dont have issue if he´d go bomb and then go fight, but he doesnt. So he griefs his team.
if you think about it from the perspective that a player has to fight another player because their aircraft was designed for that, then yeah, your point makes sense.
the issue is that jets like the F-15 and Gripen are capable of both air-to-air combat and ground attacks using guided or incendiary bombs to destroy enemy bases.
i don’t see that as passive gameplay at all if the player’s doing exactly what the jet was designed to do, it’s literally a multi-role fighter on paper. any report against a player who’s just bombing bases should be ignored, or at least not lead to a permanent ban, maybe just a temporary one at most.
of course, that would open the door for bot abuse, but punishing players who simply don’t focus on air-to-air combat only pushes them away from the game for not being able to play how they want with their aircraft.
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I don’t agree, and i have a hard time seeing how you’re coming to that conclusion. But you’re free to ahve that opinion.
This though:
That i can see as perhaps a good thing, but maybe the other way around, increase the rewards for doing actions for that aircrafts role instead of lowering it for others. The issue there might be the top tier as almost all jets there are multi role.
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yes. but their primary role is to be a fighter. the fighter part is what should be encouraged and rewarded most
I don’t think your using the word griefing correctly here. Griefing is when you do something with the purpose of making the game worse for others.
What is fun for you might not be fun for others, what you describe is entirely subjective.
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What i describe is making the already miserable games at top tier even more miserable.
Why? I get a bunch of people hold that opinion, but that is all it is - opinion.
Why does everyone else have to play the way you want them to and not the way THEY want to?
And the game designers seem to disagree hence the game is as it is.
So why do you play miserable games in the first place??
Not really, that’s why they are called multi role. JAS quite literally stands for “Jakt Attack Spaning” (hunt, attack, surveillance. Or for in game; fighter, attacker, surveillance, but WT doesn’t have surveillance).
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For you, perhaps not for others.
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air hasnt been really updated since the first jets were added. there was nothing put in place for the multirole. If there were bomber, multirole and fighter targets i dont think anybody would complain but instead we have practically AFK passive players taking the only thing a F117 or buccaneer can do away from them and reaping tons of rewards from it
Cause that is the state WT top tier is in atm,i did not chose it. Before base bombing in the good times, of Sabre F-2 and MiG-17 this wasnt happening, in F-100/MiG-19 era either. Its just past 2-3 years this is happening and its worse and worse.
You choose to play it, and you say it is miserable, so why do you play it?
Cause i am forced to, if i wont play it,i wont grind fast. Which happens given i progressed in most trees to top.