What are the fastest and highest-climber piston aircraft(s) in the game (RB / SB)?

Hi.

I’ve searched to find out what are the fastest (level flight, any altitude) and highest-climber prop aircraft in the game, and i found several discussions about it, naming props like P-51H, Do-335, Tempest 2 and some others; but, there is no definite and clearly correct answer. I mean piston engined - no hybrids like Wyvern.

Can you guys please tell me which one (or, which two, if different for speed and altitude) aircraft(s) it is?

And i don’t mean stat cards. Stat cards often lie. I mean real gameplay - which one is actually the fastest and which one can reach higher altitude than any other prop, in actual RB / SB gameplay.

Thank you for all ideas and/or test results, if you have any, in advance! :)

Hornet probably

edit: oh highest not fastest, idk

B-29: “Selected 6 hour fuel load. I’ll see you at Alpha Centauri.”

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It might not be the absolute fastest at high alt plane anymore, but it is still very very good and handles VERY well at high alt with its long wingspan, the Ta 152 H-1

Go take it into a test drive and see what you think. Back when this thing as added it could literally fly circles around all other planes. Nothing could even come close to catching it at high alt. Absolute nightmare for bombers. Again, not sure if it is still the best, see what other people have to say about it’s effectiveness nowadays in game.

I also think that some of the P-47’s with super-turbo chargers can fly at high alt very well. I am not well versed on the P-47’s though, so need to get more input for those.

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400 km/h IAS @ 10km Alt. RB mode, minimum fuel load, still pulling faster, will see how fast I can get it to go without hitting end of map:

410 km/h IAS @ 10km Alt seems to be its max at 10km.

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Fastest climbers:
low alt: Yak-3U, medium/high alt: Ki-83 or Hornet Mk3

Fastest prop is the P-51H or the A2D if you count turboprops

Highest alt prop should be the BV-155 but not quite sure

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Not interested about who’s the fastest climber, but thanks for mentioning it anyway. :)

Fastest prop is definitely not P-51H, because i’ve tested it just today and it loses quite much to at least one other prop. Suffice to say, i’m only looking for props which can do 800+ km/h in level flight. Yep, that fast. %)

And like i said, no hybrids - A2D-1 is a hybrid, has those exhausts pushing it forward, so it’s a bit of a jet already.

Ta-152 H-1 was definitely a “UFO” back in the good old pre-missile-era days, yep. I bet it won’t be the fastest nor highest prop today, yeah - but for the sake of old times, i’ll test it and report here what i find, hopefully tomorrow at latest.

And, thanks for detailed post about it - the thing, IRL, was indeed one amazing piece of engineering thought! :)

edit / P.S.: oh, and please list all speeds in TAS, not IAS: different props get their max speed at different altitudes, and different altitudes means different TAS / IAS ratio. The only constant thing when comparing 'em - is TAS: how fast you move relative to the ground, purely geometrically.

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Yep, i’ve heard Hornet mentioned in some other discussions, too - but right now i doubt it’ll be fastest or highest prop. I’ll test it for both and will report results here, hopefully soon.

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O, I need to see if I remember how to turn that on 😂

Ah, there we go:

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Ok, i’ve tested both Ta-152 H-1 and Hornets. Results:

TL;DR: Hornet is not it; Ta-152 is not it for speed, but may well be it for altitude (see Ta-152 H-1 section below for details!)

Details.

Hornet Mk.III (and Mk.I all the same): 768 km/h at 6000m, max alt 13083 m

Both hornets (regular and premium) have idential stat cards, and seem to perform the same in test flight, too. Hornet’s stat card top speed (756 km/h at 5791m) - is a bit too low: i was able to exceed 760 km/h, in one case going 768 km/h at 6000m, level flight. But this still doesn’t make it a 800+ km/h prop, which is required to even be a contender, in this topic.

Hornet’s stat card’s max alt of 11500 m - is one pretty big understatement, as i was able to climb to 13083 m, in test flight with minimum load of limited fuel, and maintain level flight at this altitude. While itself very impressive for a prop, this max altitude is nowhere near what Ta-152 H-1 does, though.

Overall, Hornet’s performance quickly deteriorates above 10 km: top speed quickly goes down, and angle of attack needed to maintain level flight - increases rapidly. Above 12 km, going with some 5° angle of attack just to maintain level flight not far from its top speed at this alt - is what Hornet does. This indicates insufficient lift from Hornet’s wings to maintain its mass, through the thin air. It’s just not shaped for high altitude flying, for sure.

Ta-152 H-1: 781 km/h at 13388 m, max alt 15938 m

its stat card top speed (751 km/h at 10200 m) - i wasn’t quite able to get, going “only” 736 km/h at 10400 m. However, i also found it goes 781 km/h at 13388 m. Which by itself is VERY fast, but still a tad not enough to get over 800 km/h. At still higher altitudes, its top speed begins to deteriorate quickly.

Its stat card max altitude, while itself outstanding - 14800 m - is still a big understatement, though! With minimum load of finite fuel in test flight, i ended up flying level and slowly gaining speed at no less than 15938 m! This definitely makes Ta-152 a serios contender for highest-flying prop in the game. But, for now, only a contender; i recently piloted another prop at 16105 m in stable level flight, so it remains to be seen if Ta-152 can beat that.

Of note, however, is Ta-152 H-1’s climb rate above 10 km: it’s horrendous. It can get that high, but it gets there slowly, and only with careful continuous MEC managing: auto prop pitch badly overheats, so can’t be used, and manual prop pitch requires frequent adjustments to control oil temperatures (there ain’t no oil radiator on it) and torque: you either fail to get enough engine power to climb, or you overheat while climbing, being forced to reduced power, which makes you unable to climb. Worse, much of above-10-km climb requires going without WEP, too - and that, of course, slows the climb rate as well. This horror continues up to ~13.5 km altitude, above which air becomes so cold that auto prop pitch and continuous WEP can both be enabled without overheating.

So, Ta-152 H-1 may well end up the absolute altitude record holder among all WT prop aircraft, but only “for sport”; in actual battles, there ain’t any use for its stratospheric capability. Both RB and SB, in-game, are simply too short and too small map area, for such shenanigans.

I plan to do some longer tests for Ta-152 H-1 later on, and find out if it’s really the highest-going prop. Already checked C-3 variant, too, and it properly gets stuck at about 14 km; it features way less “stratosphere-friendly” wing, and indeed not expected to go nearly as high as H-1 can. Meanwhile, if any of you guys have any other ideas - both fastest and highest-climber aircraft - please share. This gets interesting. :)

P.S. All the bold numbers above for Hornets and Ta-152 H-1, i have screenshots for, but it’s all preliminary, so i will only post those if someone asks me to. Those speeds and altitudes may still be a bit lower than achievable, but should be pretty close to these aircraft’s limits.

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Lmao, this was a very enjoyable read 😂

@Fins_FinsT I am very curious to see how this guy performs. I am NOT versed in all the manual engine controls, so my testing would be near useless compared to what you have done with the Hornet and Ta-152.

This is turning into a very interesting thread. Cheers brother!

2x big oil coolers! So might make using WEP viable at super high alt's:

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OH! I noticed it does have 2x “oil cooling system” parts, NOT sure if they actually work as radiators in the game. IF not, then this might be a bug?! 😨 Are there oil cooling radiator controls in game? Like I mentioned, I know almost nothing about full manual engine controls in WT.

Oil Cooling System #1. This looks like air SHOULD be sucked in and over this part:

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Oil Cooling System #2. I assume this is a reservoir? Would not make sense to be a radiator with it angled like this:

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Not this specific “issue”, but there is a bug report stating that the Ta-152 should be able to WEP for 30 minutes straight: Community Bug Reporting System

OH, and so apparently the H-1’s radiator is wrong (I think the report is talking about the water radiator.) Was fixed/is correct on the C-1. No idea if this might also effect the WEP usage for the H-1: Community Bug Reporting System

More interestingness: Focke-Wulf Ta 152H | Plane-Encyclopedia

“The engine was a 35 liter Jumo 213E inverted V-12. Originally developed from the Jumo 211, which saw heavy use in bombers much earlier in the war, the new Jumo 213 was what most of the Luftwaffe’s hopes were placed on to compete with newer, more powerful Allied engines. It featured a new AJA 180 streamlined annular radiator that supported the oil and engine coolant.

P-51H-5NA.
Hornet.

Love the Hornets.

The P-38K Lightning and F7F-3 Tigercat are also pretty darn good with their climb rates too.

Not sure if they actually can beat the Hornet F. Mk. 1 and 3, though.

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thats not how turboprops work

the exhaust doesnt provide any propulsion because the air is moving too slow as the turbine is not increasing airflow but using it to provide power to the propellers

"Consequently, the exhaust jet produces about 10% of the total thrust.[7] A higher proportion of the thrust comes from the propeller at low speeds and less at higher speeds.[8] "

10% is still 10%

Still, calling it hybrid for 5-15% of thrust is not right

Just an interesting point regarding the ‘hybrid’ reference to the exhaust of the turboprop producing thrust, the water radiator setup of planes (i.e. predominately prop ones) can be made in a way that produces thrust. It’s called the Meredith Effect. The P-51 would be the most well known example probably.
Essentially, cold air coming in, compressing down to a small space, then getting heated by the hot water radiator and creating pressure coming out as thrust. (Or something like that)

I’ve recently tested F7F-3, and it’s definitely far, far behind some other props in both how high it can climb and how fast it can go. One of largest disappointments, it was: i expected much more from it.

P-38K Lightning, i didn’t test yet, though. Great suggestion, i was thinking about P-38 family myself. Gonna test it. Thanks! :)

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P-51H-5NA, nope, not the one. Often named, and for great reasons, but i recently tested it, it doesn’t go 800+ km/h at any altitude i believe, and certainly can’t go above 17 km.

And it’s definitely not Hornets - i presented test results for Hornets above in this topic, it’s not it either.

Thanks for trying though, appreciate it! :)

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