This gotta be the most insane thing ever
Not realy true…
Option A: Free GE app…(yes it works)
Option B: official Screenshot contest in the Forum
Option C: Thunder Show
Kinda option D for PC player:
Events, you can sell most of the stuff on the Marketplace
The first three counting numbers are wrong by the way. It is 6th, 7th, …
You’re posts above are
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1 terribly worded and make it seem as if you’re talking in acing crews.
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2 no one and i mean no one gives a bugger about crews to level 30, that is not an issue.
At all, the issue as we have all refered to multiple times is being able to pay for the acing of a crew. -
acing which either takes, hundreds of hours pee vehicle, OR paying ridiculous amounts of gold.
Leveling a crew to 30 in two afternoons is still * completely irrelevant to both the discussion and the thread*.
As I’ll say again, the original post you made seemed as if you were refering to the crew levels becoming aced, hell * you showed aced vehicles in said screenshots*.
So no, my reading “skills” as you put it are fine, you however must work on your writing cohesion and clarity.
So again, what you’re saying is nonsense, however just in realition to the thread. Not in generalm
Lastly, a level 30 expert crew is still missing investments aka crew points in many, many skills which again a person who has paid for an aced crew will blow you out the water with the advantage it gives.
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Don’t you know how to quote or can’t you read well?
And I gave a date to each screenshot. The screenshot after two afternoons has no aced crew. Here again, so you can practice:
You are stating the obvious.
No, that person would have to have a somewhat comparable skill level first of all. Without player skill, crew skill is meaningless.
jokes aside
an aced crew gives you such an insane advantage its incredible
i have a single ground vehicle aced - the italian sherman
the difference is WILD, it feels like cheating
if you encounter an another sherman, both shoot and both whiff your shots - the guy with aced crew WILL win, the odds are literally against the other guy
but actually yes in most situations
…and then there is the difference in gun traverse, repair time, acceleration, SURVIVABILITY (and this one is so fucking stupid its incredible), even your goddamn artillery is better lmao
thinking that crew skills are not p2w is just wrong, thats my stance
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I care. See my examples comparing a 0/0G/Svs a 5/5G/S+ expert.
The two arent ecen near each other and the difference is 25 hours WITH A PREMIUM ACCOUNT and twice that without.
For a 3.0 or 4.0 aircraft. Per crew slot & nation.
Want to fly your italian planes competeticely after flying bf 109s in the german tree? You go from german 109 F-4 to italian F-4 then suddenly cant do 75% of your dogfight/duelling tactics.
Same plane. Same performance. Same player. Same skill. Vastly different outcomes.
I literally give you contiunously tracked loadfactor in my dogfights, my youtube channel with most of my more significant or interesting fights (and also random ones recorded for sake of tracking g loading) and i even detailed the g forces endured in a fun duel between two maxed players…
And you still refuse to listen.
Yestersay i literally had a duel with a guy where we rode the edge of G-LOC for 3 whole minutes. We only were able to do it because we are both maxed players (me with my 60h in my 109 F-4 and 350 some in sim overal and him with his 5k in sim with most of it in his yak-3).
If he g-loced before me and i got the kill because of crew skills would it have been fair?
What if i got g locked and he got the kill?
Since we are both maxed the answer is yes.
But if he was a level 30 with 10 games in his yak 3 ecen with the same skilled flying he would have lost.
Or i would have lost in the 1v1 if it was an italian 109 f 4 (i did lose to third party).
- Action in milliseconds *, This gentlemen here on behalf of the Royal Institute starting to make the scientific research on the damage card
That’s latency not crew level - I play at 200 ping so my Ace crew will die to a “simultaneous” shot from a basic crew with 30 or 40 ping if he hits!! In the server I’m dead before I even take my shot.
Of course if he misses them my reload is a great advantage… but alas that doesn’t facto into it much!!
Your crew is also substantially more durable with an aced crew BTW.
You not only can do all of the aformentioned points, but also will literally survive more hits.
It’s vastly dependant, we’re not talking about player skill, cause that’s completely irrelevant in the advantages an aced crew will give.
If you take two equal players and give one an aced crew and the other expert the aced crewed vehicle will win most engagements.
Aced yes, but if you have an expert crew at level 30 it gives no where near the same advantages as say, an aced crew will at the same level.
The expert crew only starts to catch up once you’re crew is near the higher levels AKA for tanks about 80 / 90 odds and up.
that’s completely irrelevant in the case of if it’s pay to win or not.
the distinct advantages an aced crew gives over a regular experted crew, even if we take them at max level is quite substantial.
if we use level 30 crews, which you’re obsessed with, then the gap between an experted crew and aced crew is much more vast.
Which means, if you have a worse player, in a tank for example or plane with an aced crew, they have a more forgiving time, they can afford to make mistakes, as repair times are wayyy lower, they can afford to slam the elevator for so much longer and pull more Gs in dog fights etc or even dodging missiles.
So no, it’s not just down to player skill. Which when talking about something being pay to win is a major copout of a statement cause that literally applies to anything that is pay to win,
BMPT is literally P2W especially when it dropped.
That doesn’t mean people didn’t die in it or make mistakes does it.
no, but it gave the players who paid for it a huge advantage over those who didn’t. Even if there was a TT variant.
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If you fight someone else, how do you know if their vehicle is currently aced?
And I tell you that I don’t care what and how you play. I only told you how you could aquire the skill waaay faster with a different approch. You made it clear that you rather want to aquire it the slow way. Fine. Your life, your account, your time. As long as you enjoy it, great. (You just don’t sound as if you do, but hey…)
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Seriously not. With a BR12 you’ll be facing the Belgium F-16 (BR12) which has AIM-9M and Python3. Netz has only Python3 without IRCCM. Basically you can flare them away all times.
Without Fox1, the Netz is lost at its BR.
Netz 12.3 60CMs
Netz mod 12.3 premium 180 CMs
3 x the CMs but same BR… is pay to win
Theres no point at all grinding israel. Kfirs are all over BR’d. The NETz is pointless as premium is >
Rest is copy paste.
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So in your books, if I want to play sim (which has its own entire control scheme, pacing, tone, vibes)… I should play Arcade. Which has its own completely separate control scheme.
How would you feel if the tables were reversed? To play your favourite vehicle you had to go into ASB and fly a WW2 warbird in dogfights (no afk zombing with Ju-288 or aardvarks allowed. I’d say using bf 109 F-4 or P-51C or P-38J or F4U-4 or F6F-5 or La-5Fn or G.55 sotto 0 or Ki-100).
Odd post. The game does cost money to make and maintain. How do we keep the lights on if we do not have people paying the bills? …Everyone should be equal in game… just those with more money should facilitate payment for all? … haha
If it was as easy as what I do and would pay better, I certainly wouldn’t mind. In fact, that is basically what I am doing, as I don’t need the crew for air arcade. I just rather roll in the XP (and the “always first” challenge with it) than go lamenting on forums/tube how awfully long it takes in realistic.
One thing is pay to progress:
You unlock a new PLANE/tank/boat faster.
Possibly buy a special collector’s version of a vehicle that is no better than tech tree quivalents but was flown by an ace or just because it gets better SL/RP.
Other is pay 2 win:
If we are both of the exact same skill, flying the exact same aircraft but get different results for the same input because one of us paid a bunch of money to get 5/5 G/Stamina while the other person is forced to do a 25 hour grind (ergo: they’re a premium player! Not a freeloader. A premium player) to be at parity (and however long acing will take on top)…
Then it’s pay to win. A 25 hour grind with premium is IMMENSE to have parity.
Pay to progress is fine.
Pay to win has no place in any game that claims to be competetive.
A basic requirement of a competetive game is that player input under the same circumstance gives the same result for everyone and does not favour anyone.
Imagine if in LoL you could pay money to access runes (wait… that was a thing. It was awful. They undid that because it broke the competitive spirit).
And if you say “Warthunder is not competetive”:
https://tss.warthunder.com/index.php?action=tournament&id=23933
(coincidentally I can attend with maxed crews this weekend at last. Finally american/german props!)
If you show up here, you use your player crew as-is. If you don’t have a maxed crew, enjoy blacking out during yo-yos.
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better example using what you said was.
If you’ve two players with equal skill, yet one has a standard crew or expert crew, and the other aced.
The one which is aced will win almost every single game.
I know you focus primarily around lower BRs, however once we start getting to rank 6 and above , especially for ground, the time taken for each vehicle to get aced is increased exponentially.
leaving but one option, which is to pay for it.
I paid for the last chunk on the F5C to be aced and it’s made the thing a monster, easily one of the best planes I’ve used.
to the point where people who are of equal skill in 1v1 dogfights using 12.3 (at the time, and up) cannot win.
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OK, so lets assume that you could only buy as much crew skill as grinding that premium vehicle would have given you: Say you buy a rank 8 premium plane. If you did grind a free rank 8 plane, you would have earned 400.000 RP for it first. They could have given you 12.000 crew XP.
So if you buy a rank 8 (premium) plane, you would be allowed to buy or spend 12.000 crew XP.
Then you would have no advantage over someone who actually researched a rank 8 plane.
That would be OK for you?
You would also be allowed to place 400.000 RP on some other rank 7 or 8 plane of yours to proceed to ace. Because a free player would have received the same. You only saved the time he spend playing for it. You would have no advantage over him, or would you?
This is an assumption for which you have no proof and which contradicts my experience.
I already asked: How do you know the other player has an aced vehicle?
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