After the adition of the premiums F-18 c early, the su 30 and the Terminator we can CONFIRM that is a Pay to Win
Don’t forget that many premium versions of TT vehicles are often slightly better too.
Like the Tiger in the Italian tree has the front track armour. The A13 Mk II in the British tree gets the extra mantlet armour. There’s tons of examples.
You’re picking and choosing what suits you, I think. Do you play other games that are marketed as both sim and MMO?
I play Il2:Ground Battles. It’s not an MMO but it has multiplayer.
In it, you buy a set of planes once and then those planes behave as they should with no way for one player flying a 109 F-4 to get different outcomes to another player flying a 109 F-4.
DCS, far I understand, follows the same principles.
Now, for competitive multiplayer games that are not sims:
CS:GO(2)
Dota
League
AoE2:Definite Edition
Do you know what all the above games do?
Every player is perfectly equal within the match that occurs in terms of potential. The only distinction you experience is your own personal skill.
League and AoE2 have some pay to unlock/progress aspects - League you can unlock new champions through grinding or boosted acquisition (however: once you do they perfectly match any other person’s champion), League has rune pages (which is a convenience item that makes pre-match planning easier and makes no real difference. You can use all the runes you want with just 1 runepage or with 30 and the builds are simple enough that pages aren’t really a big QoL). AoE2:DE has exclusive premium nations in form of its DLCs.
However, whether or not you possess only the base game or all the DLCs, the nations within the base game behave exactly the same AND the DLC features (if any) get incorporated seamlessly into the base nations even if you only own the base game. Additionally, the base game nations are perfectly competitive and you’ve no pressure to buy the new DLC nations outside of “ooh, shiny!”
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I think the crew level system is rubbish, but the comparisons are really not very relevant.
The first ones you mentioned don’t have the MMO component, which obviously changes things quite a bit.
The MMO component is mainly there to make the player pay more. Well, in WT there isn’t really a persistent world, except for the hangar with the crews and their levels.
It’s a bit of an excuse, and we could do without it.
And the comparison with competitive games doesn’t make sense to me.
WT isn’t a competitive game, even though there’s an esports scene; the game and its structure aren’t designed for it at all. Simply organizing tournaments isn’t enough to make a game competitive at its core.
On top of that, games that are perfectly balanced, including the ones you mentioned, are, in my opinion, incredibly boring to play for fun. Everything is balanced, smoothed out, there’s no excitement or anything.
I much prefer Rising Storm Vietnam, where there’s no balance between the two sides, but which is a thousand times more enjoyable to play than any CS match.
Generally speaking, I find that the competitive scene only brings bad things to games. After all, it’s just a way to make money, where players are just products and “fans” are just customers to whom manufactured “stars” are sold. Great system, ultra-healthy, ultra-respectful, in short, in my opinion, it embodies all the essential values (ironic, of course).
CS, I’d add, is the perfect example.
We went from a game with tons of private servers, crazy atmospheres, connections you made, servers that were pretty try-hard during the week and fun on the weekend, to a game where the only contact is insults. Everyone’s try-harding, nobody communicates anymore.
Before, you’d download your skins on FPS Banana and share them with friends; now it’s become a huge money-making scheme with all the abuses it’s caused and will continue to cause.
Gone are the days of 1.5 when I played LANs with friends, or later on Source, the zombie or surfing nights.
And the game is so balanced that since 1.2, we’re playing AK/M4 on maps that have barely changed because the slightest change is criticized by the community. Just look at how open they were in the last update, lol.
And I could cite competitive games that are pay-to-win, like Magic: The Gathering, Kards, and all card games in general. Which doesn’t make them bad games, far from it.
It’s only badly balanced. This happen more then enough in the last 12-13 Years. Maybe stop playing this BR would be a solution until it is fixed?
Tiger 2 in teh german tree is better as well.
did you just say the online team based Player versus player game isn’t competitive?
they literally market it as a “highly competitive” free online MMO xD You are by definition of the word “compete” competing against other players to win.
It also has tournaments and Esports malarkey to it.
If you want to play with words, then yes, you’re right.
But I’m talking in terms of competitive structures; the game is practically devoid of them.
Similarly, the network infrastructure is clearly not designed for competitive play.
Because if you take the definition of competition:
“The simultaneous pursuit by two or more people of the same result.”
That means that even eating at a restaurant with a friend is a competition since you’re both pursuing the same result (filling your stomach). But we all know that eating with a friend isn’t really a competition.
What do all the biggest competitive games have in common?
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Balanced gameplay, so much so that some games have barely changed in 15 years like Starcraft, Dota, Aoe, etc
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Network infrastructure that promotes competition (for example, smoothing pings, preventing Chinese players from being placed on EU servers, that sort of thing).
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Very often, skill-based matchmaking (SBMM) with a ranked system for all players, not just tournaments.
It’s not competitive that in War Thunder, with an AS crew, you can perform aerial maneuvers that a beginner with a level 1 crew could never do, regardless of the planetary alignment.
And about marketing, just lol. See that:
Smoking marketed as good for health, it is ?
He’s not playing with words, that’s literally what it is.
Name them then :*)
Damn where do you get your sinophobia for free at, mine is expensive.
horrible system designed to frustrate practically everyone, hard pass.
This is not the own you think it is lmao.
Not to be mean but did you write this with chatGPT?
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See what i say about this lower
Starcraft, Dota, Aoe Or just look at the recent change to Annubis in CS2. It took several years for them to even dare to make a hole in the wall because they’re so afraid of changing the balance and the community is awful.
Yes very fair to play with people having 100+ ping when i have rarely more than 10
Again, you haven’t understood. I said WITH a ranking system because it’s the same thing. A tennis player ranking and the matches that result from it are a SBMM. You face players more or less at your level, and the more you win, the stronger the players you face. Basically.
Or even in judo, I competed for 15 years and it’s the same, you face fighters of roughly your level, not to mention weight classes
What does that mean? It’s clearly marketed as good for your health.
And no, I’m not using any AI, just Google Translate.
Since you’re using LMAO, I’m guessing you’re over 15 or 16, hence the pointlessness of your replies.
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All the games you named have drastically changed over the years.
Lower? Lower… where? What are you talking about dude.
Ping is rarely relevant in War thunder and 100 ping isn’t enough to make a difference, I routinely play on NA servers with +100 ping and it has practically never affected me, you’re just sinophobic and trying to wrap it around something irrelevant to the game.
I know very well what SBMM is, I was a global in CSGO around 2015-2017, it was anything but fun and would completely ruin War thunder.
This isn’t Judo, this is a videogame.
Again, completely irrelevant to anything he said, and not an own, if anything you look like an idiot who’s grasping at straws to win an argument.
Aaaand here’s the taccit admittance that you don’t have anything substantial to back you up and resorting to whatever this is to deflect. Talk about predictable. Maybe you should use AI actually.
gaijin wants to mace money from video game .what u expect ?. wallet beats no life pc gamer olwys XD
Other games also make money without sabotaging thenintegrity of fair (if assymetric) play.
Imagine if dota or league did what warthunder does (crew skills)
Read my first post, you will see
See about annubis for example and since you are only 25 years old you dont know for the other games
Lol no one care about your exeperience, i was in the aAa team back in the days, but who care ?
That was 15 years ago
Lol, its is.
Competition is competition
Not irrevelant since is talk about marketing.
But yet another one who was born before his grandfather and who knows everything from his 1000 games
The burden of defending your own point is on you, not me or anyone reading your drivel.
If your entire point rests on the wall of one map being changed once in a single game, I’m afraid your whole point might as well not be made at all.
My bad I forgot people born post 2000’s weren’t allowed to play older games.
Alright by your logic all those old dusty games you cited no longer matter either since they were released a decade ago or more.
It’s not, War thunder is exceptionally stable on terrible connections, I used to play on 150 ping without much trouble.
And you type like a grandfather that lifted the nurse’s phone when he should be napping.
. i am agree on u 100 %.thing is they dont read it and dont care eny way. gaijin bos made some money hes happy. terminator is seling well. he thinks all happy D. its how they think. if u play it its means u like it so.thats what they said
I mean tbh were a very vocal and annoying minority in here, I assume Gaijin operates on how many players are satisfied vs how many arent and these days the vast majority of players seems content with how the game plays, reddit and the forums are an echochamber.
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idk eny one who is happy whit game. problem is in forums people just fight each other. besst argument they have it s a skill isuse. u dont like someting skill isuse., u want someting skill isuse. game is lagging conection lost skill isuse. evryting goes to skill isuse XD. its how here people fight eaach others arguments D even if they all agree game has big potential and gaijin refuses to do someting new ebaut gamepley.game modes. new experiments. mby 1000km maps. mby they can try simlulate iran vs usa war. mby they can try give reason to every class in game to exsist and do job ,what they are made for. but. they think we like game cuz we playng it. and when someone has sometyng to say its skill isuse so XD
