Good job on not mentioning premiums as a whole. Most people say the game’s premiums are P2W (5% true), but it’s rather pay to progress (P2P). Well though out post :)
Doesn’t mean P2P is right though…
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Where anyone said that it makes it less worse?
If you have at least 6 vehicles to put in a lineup, you’ve still played quite a bit. Is it impossible to pay 20 euros for a bit of premium and a few GE? Or maybe you work for free?
no one pays for backups, you get plenty of them with warbons or just playing. I myself have never bought one and I have more than 200 without counting those I won for particular vehicles
and sorry but if you don’t know how to look at the economic model before getting started. In all f2p games the free part is a discovery part so to speak. the “real” content has to drop a little money, nothing is free.
They really sound like childish comments.
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Dota 2.
Team fortress 2.
Warframe.
Not everything is Wargaming/WoT or EA bollocks.
it is obvious that I was talking about F2P which falls into the same circle as war thunder. by the need to talk about a fruit when we talk about a vegetable
There has been multiple people in this thread acting like the examples OP gave aren’t a major problem in this game.
Bringing up WOT as a counter arguement to how garbage the process of unlocking aced crews for free is (12.0 vehicles like Leclerc S1 will take a F2P player easily hundreds if not a thousand hours) needs to be studied in it’s own right.
I used to play WOT before swapping to WT and I will gladly club Gaijin over the head when I notice them act just like Wargaming by coaxing players to spend cash just to have their vehicle perform equal to those who pay for improved crew skills.
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It’s a PvP game.
In a PvP game, you compare player skill, teamwork and strategy.
Quoting my previous post:
And earn golden Eagles too.
Mmmm, more chatGPT nonsense.
1- 5 crew slots are entirely free, which gets you all but air arcade. Air arcade, more than 5 crew slows is indeed a bonus more than not.
2- Backups are entirely free to play:
3- Crew skills are 100% free to play with options.
4- Bushes are free to play and offer no camouflage for any tanks except L3/33.
You’ve listed zero pay to win examples.
@Unit_8
If bushes were pay to win everyone would be using them, but they don’t cause they’re useless for BRs above 1.0.
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Bushes are an aspect of pay to progress but the 3 pack vehicles are “Pay to Win”. As they have things the Tech Tree counterparts do not. Just want to mention this.
It isn’t ChatGPT (I think) because it actually talks about war thunder.
They are incredibly pay to win. How is being able to buy a massive advantage not pay to win? They are also gated behind alot of earned RP, which doesn’t make for a good experience.
Objectively incorrect.
They are very useful in obscuring silhouettes and hiding weakspots.
I’d also like to add: If they aren’t pay to win, what would be wrong with being able to disable them like fictional camos?
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Prove that camo is fictional, I’ll wait.
You can max your crew without GE.
That’s a really well made topic, congratulations :)
About Aces, I got one for “free” : F1C-200 (lol)
The true problem to get aces is that the the usuals BR update are just screwing presets and we have to purchase crew/expert on other slots than before to accomodate new BR lineup (except Air RB)… Added to the fact that we have to purchase expert first to start collecting XP for ACE (and so all others battles without Expert are lost) and to the fact that XP (and Expert) isn’t shared to each slots Make it almost impossible to get free ACES…
Exemple : if you use CAS in your ground line up on another slot that your air line up, first you have to buy Expert twice, second if it need 1.000.000XP to get Ace and you have 600k in CAS and 600k in air battles you’re screwed even if you reached the XP needed…
Same if they tweak the BR, maybe you were at 900k/1M but you have to change the slot to do not screw the line up; all progress (and Expert/SL) are lost…
I generally agree with all of these points, though there are some that I dont particularly mind.
Backups imo are fairly fine as-is, as its not hard to get them free. I only find them semi-powerful in AAB, and only to a point. Crew slots though? 100% should be changed. I dont mind the last 1-2 being GE, but slots 5, 6, and 7 should be SL or vehicle rank unlocks. (Similar to presets.)
→ Note: To a point, crew slots in AAB can be counter-intuitive, as most nations do not have a 10 plane lineup at one BR. Sweden, for example, only fills out a six plane lineup at 5.3.
Aced crews/Bushes, though, I fully agree on. Imo, aced crew should simply be removed and the stats given to expert, or its RP requirements should be massively decreased. Bushes should just be able to be turned off.
If your opponent is not experienced it gives you a clear advantage over him, I think that’s a fact.
I’ve not seen many bushes in high tiers for evident reasons but in lower ones they’re usually spotted.
I wouldn’t say they’re fictional, but there’s a way they could be “fixed”. You see, countless players put bushes all over their vehicles including optics and periscopes, which in most cases allows you to only see their barrel for example. They could add a field of view for each optic (including the gunner’s) that wouldn’t be able to be blocked by a bush or any kind of decoration. IMO this would be a useful and realistic nerf.
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Back then, an entire pack of bushes was around 500 GE (from what I remember). Now it’s 500 GE per bush. Of course people would be less enticed to pay for them, but it’s still an advantage nonetheless.
And bushes still help even at top tier. It may not help you with not being seen, but it definitely helps you with making your tank ambiguous, make them look bigger than it actually is, and to cover weakspots.
Just look at these, for an example, and tell me what tank these are:
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Funny to read all the P2W/P2P shilling comments.
Regardless of how u wanna twist wording, etc. Paying does give you ton of advantages over most other players who are not paying. Especially bad is the gaijin cartel market.
Its just ludicrous how many people are affected by Stockholm syndrome here (forum in general) and defending blatantly bad corporate practices.
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Oh look, bushes make the tanks easier to spot and frag.
Here’s evidence that bushes are the opposite of pay to win:
Thanks for proving there’s no pay to win, and I’m glad others agree that bushes aren’t pay to win by liking your post.
That’s assuming you are actually able to find the weakspot and kill the tank. No one is saying that they make it hard to spot. Everyone is saying that they make it harder to identify and kill easily.
They’re doing the opposite? How is it fair that someone can obscure their tank’s shape??
Please stop twisting other’s words to fit your narritive.
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