War Thunder is pay to win

Maybe but just maybe USA planes are better?

Again I dont think this whole game is just crew skill… Only when its aced then you have advantage only and ONLY if you know what you doing, otherwise not that relevant

You can have 0 seconds reload, if you dont know how to position yourslef with tank you are RIP, like it means nothing.

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Oh no! My favorite free game that has a massive dev team and possibly the largest F2P game in the gaming industry has to make money to pay their workers and server fees!

I will admit there are a few things they can work on, like the crew system, namely the SL-ace crews, like decreasing the price the more perk blocks you have completed or invested crew points into. That and the overall crewing system is just bad. I shouldn’t have to pay 1 million SL to ace a crew for a vehicle I like when the crew slot is already maxed out.

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F2P games can thrive even when not monetizing mechanics that affect gameplay.
WT really missed out on crates/skins that nowadays any major game is highly focused at.

Monetizing through cosmetics is the way to go.

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Wasn’t Gaijin among the top 10 most earning companies? I may be wrong, but I think it’s just they’re greedy as heck. We all get they need money but the current situation is excessive.

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Imagine if League of Legends allowed you to purchase an advantage out-of-game that made your heroes regen faster, have faster cooldowns or deal more damage.

Imagine the outrage.

Don’t need to. This happened. Rune pages were a thing.

They were a point of significant contempt.

Riot finally wizened up and removed Rune pages and introduced a new system where everyone gets every rune unlocked at level 1, and the only thing you can buy or unlock thru grinding is… pre-sets for faster choosing of what runes you use. Useful, but not mandatory.

Now the only thing they sell is skins and early-access to new heroes. They seem to do well financially.

Nobody knows this.

Gaijin Kft in Hungary has allegedly revenues of ~120 mln Euro (2022 or 2023) - but this says nothing about Gaijin Entertainment as a group. if you look at the footer of gaijin’s support page, you see just another company.

As their shares are private owned, you have way less insight and transparency as with stock listed companies as there is (depending on applicable accounting standards) often no need to publish consolidated figures.

The sole purpose of various companies in a group is often to transfer actual income to the location with the lowest corporate taxes. In order achieved this they charge management fees or license fees within the group companies until the money is in the “right” company.

Having a location in Cyprus looks not like a coincidence…

Edit: Earnings (aka as revenues) says nothing about actual profits.

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The “Convertible RP” system is also archaic and extremely predatory for players. I’ve accrued ~51m of those and Gaijin is gatekeeping me out of it’s use unless I pay 1 GE for 45 CRP.
So, in order to spend all those 51m, I’d have to pay over one million (yes, million) GE, which is just ludicrous to say the least.

At the rate of 25k GE = 165 EUR, getting a million GE is exactly 6600 EUR, which is a comical sum to spend on a game.
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Sure now WT has to be like Leauge of Legends… To me personaly all of this looks like you guys are used to kiling people and now people can kill you and you dont like it and then you trying to find every way to make things go back to old…Sorry Im gonna on purpose buy 200 euors of GE and just ace evertyhing and laugh.
Like common talk about how radar missiles that are LOCKED on enemy hit your teammate, talk how thers bug not crew skill with invisible tanks, talk about how clumsy Top tire is regarding BRs, how 75% or games are uptires, how thers bugs from 3 years ago… who cares about some crew skill and you guys not being able to farm kills and then brag about stats… Like laughable.

Same as 17 million uniqe players LOL… all that data is most of the time uped to bring more people to the game, fair and I have nothing against it.

And no, USA planes are not better.

It makes sense the F4U-4 can pull more Gs because of G-suits.
It does NOT make sense than the early-version of the P-51 using the old Allison engine without any special cockpit design or anything can pull more Gs for longer than the bf109F4 or Spitfire MkIX.

Also.

That’s not even relevant.

I can grab the F4U-4 or P-51.
I put it in this crew slot:

Crew Slot 1

6.5G max sustain.

Crew Slot 5

5.4G max sustain

Let's play the same game with P-51 (no G-suit)


I can maxed out crew on MiG-21 Bison in less then 300 games. And I use MiG-21 Bison like this literally :

  • 14 min of fuel
  • fuel tan + 2 R-73E + 2 napalm bombs
  • fly left or right (depends were I spawn or if tornados are also going for base)
  • fly low and constantly be in red with speed but not to break wings
  • bomb one base , try to get a kill

Average time played is like ho much time you need to base + maybe 2-3 min max.
In Air realistic… so yeah its not that hard, everyone can have max crew really quick…

And for ace, its 3.6k GE or 1,35 mill RP. After 650k its 1800 GE, after 1,012,500 is 900 and at last FREE…

So looking at this last ofc you gonna have advantage, like what did you expect?
If you wanna advantage buy it or grind it, theres no other way. Its soo simple… you can pay it but also you can grind it… same as Premiums… I can pay to grind faster with top tire or I can grind to it…

Well, Gaijin sells early access to aced crews…

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“Grind it.”

If I had a premium account, that’d be 29 hours for each crew slot for each nation I’m wishing to use to its full extent and capability.

WITH PREMIUM.

29 hours to fly you 3.0-5.7 BR aircraft to its full potential.

WITH PREMIUM.

So,
German Slot 1, German Slot 2 = 58 hours
British slot 1, british slot 2 = 58 hours
USSR slot 1 = 29 hours
Italian slot 1 = 29 hours
Japanese slot 1, japanese slot 2 = 58 hours.

WITH PREMIUM.

Calculation is based on the fact that 600 score (86% max reward) and 15 minute survival gives 1800 RP per 15 minutes in the 4.0 Bf109F4, 2200 if you make it back to land (1800/0.8=2250) without premium, and simply doubling that to 3600/4400. Getting 1050 (92% max reward) score gives you 2000 per 15 minutes and 2500 if you land - 200/300 more than at 600 score.

600 score bf109:
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Getting 1950 gives you 93.5% of max reward, so that gives with A6M3…
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God I love SB rewards. I get almost double score and get 1% more RP.

What happens at 2653 score?
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1800?

Can you guess it

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So the “29/58 hours” is a very consistent calculation assuming full 15 minute survival, 86% (600 score) reward and returning to base and landing. As you can see, it’s a very generous calculation in fact since you might get shot down at 14:58 minutes alive and lose 20% of your reward.

My man thats just bad rewards in SIM not P2W nothing… Im playing Air Realistic just because I know how painfully long would grind be in SIM…when I reasearch few more nations Air and ground I wil just play SIM.

Again you rpoblem is not with P2W its just bad rewards in SIM. Thats why I dont use premiums to kill enemy players but to firstly and strictly destroy one base since I get so much more RP.

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Does not change the fact that it’s 29 hours of grind per each slot per each nation even as a paying, premium-account holding customer.

It’s 29 hours in the ideal case too.

Why use sim rewards? Because they’re consistent. You don’t have match length, skill bonus or anything else interfering and muddying the data - we know the maximum you can earn in an ideal scenario. Made assumption of 600 score rather than 1050 purely for consistency (get 1 kill and afk is easier than 2 kill and afk), but even at 1050 (maximum reward) it’s maybe 2-3 hours less (86% versus 92%)

It’s indefensible in this argument as we’re now talking about a premium account owner, so can’t go “cheapskates deserve to suffer.”

Would like to be able to use crp for bushes and camo schemes. Especially those camouflage schemes locked behind GE.

It’s ok if you’re not able to understand illustrative examples.

No, it’s really not. Look at Fortnite and their current lawsuit. All games that focus cosmetics turn into jokes.

I mean grinding in this game is ridiculously long again if you really want to preform same in USA plane thats aced then just ace that other plan, I mean I also agree having to ace evry single plane sepratly is bad. But it is what it is…we can complain about that, but to say its P2W…naaah… I can ace any plane RN get into SIM and have my ass handed to me by people not having aced crews. Its pure player SKILL if you know your crew is not aced dont fly plane same as its aced. Same as how planes suck when they are stock…