No I dont and I don’t talk in BS riddles either trying to sound cleverer than I am.
I play a game that to me was always very much against me as a player who played the old X Box one.
Even spending as much as I did I still got hammered so badly against PC players on ULQ or $4000 super computers with massive screens,Cheats and God knows what.
So may wont touch this cross platform game.I stuck it out even thoguh the odds were against me.
I dont hide behind being on console.
It’s odd that my War thunder race is run and that coincides with me doing my tax returns and seeing just how much I actually spent on this game in the days when I truly loved it,small amounts at a time but so many times.
A hell of a lot.So check my stats and tell me where that money went in this pay to win game.
If you are playing for free don’t bleat and cry.Give yourself a pat on the back that you have all the game has to give and it didn’t cost you a penny,
Enjoy your free game.With the amount of games you have played I see that you are.
Let me explain it in simpler terms. A “false dichotomy” is a logical fallacy in which someone presents two choices as the only ones possible. In this case, you are saying that players should either
Not play the game.
Or
Play the game and don’t complain at all.
Which is incorrect, as you can enjoy a game while asking for it to be better. And have no misconceptions, War Thunder is paid for entirely by its players and investors. There is nothing wrong with us players calling for a better game.
I was making a joke that you missed. The description of “me” was from your perspective, where “me” refers to you, and you are describing yourself as lacking English knowledge.
I did not intend to “sound more clever than I am” by using such language. Rather, I am using the terms most convenient to describe my ideas with.
what ever it was it was lost and way off topic.Just came across as rude and made you sound like you were unable to defend your view point.
I can only assume you don’t pay,have never paid and assume the grass is greener for those who have paid.
I have paid and stll find the game more unplayable and less enjoyable than even.
I would gladly switch places with any of you F2P people at this point.
You can whine all you want about the game ,at least it hasnt cost you a penny and you must be enjoying it or you would not have played as much as you have.
The other person who only has 2000 games ,well I remember those days as well and my perspective has changed over time like it has for many.
I just don’t remember whining so much so early on even when I was getting my ass kicked back then with zero or one or two kills a game.
I was paying the most when I was losing the most.Now I play my best and play for free.
Work that into your logic.
Let me give you some information. I am a paying player, I have paid equivalent of ~50 USD to Gaijin, mostly for premium time and Market camouflages. While I have paid to get ahead in the game, I still believe that players should not be able to gain such a huge advantage by paying.
There is a line between acceptable monetization and unacceptable monetization, and the monetization of mechanics like crew skills, crew slots, and bushes crosses this line.
I have seen many of the games I played in the past be abandoned due to excessive monetization and greed, and I do not want that to happen to War Thunder, ever.
There is nothing that is definitively stated by this example. Yes, there are well-performing, non-paying players; there are also many poor-performing, paying players. That does not refute the fact that paying gives players a huge advantage.
If you have learned statistics, you can say that, if amount paid is the independent variable, and the performance in battle is the dependent variable, then the player’s skill is a confounding factor. But if you had a stratified study, where players were divided into strata by their amount paid, you would mostly eliminate the influence of the confounding variable, and also most likely find that paying gives an advantage.
I don’t see any huge advantage other than a full down tier.
The only difference four years down the line is that I have good games to mix with the bad games where as it was all bad games early on.
If you have been playing for years as a free player then can you not earn enough crew points to make your pilots take G Force? Have you not worked on your crew in any way.
I have four years of experience while some have 12 .I don’t demand to see a removal of 12 year veterans to be equal to me.
I just accepted very early on that War Thunder was in no way equal and I would be playing catch up.The same reason I don’t do any other game as PVP.
There really are games out there where you are firing a sling shot at a guy with a sniper laser rifle and this is not one of them.
I played medal of honor online years ago and that should have been a simple and very equal shooter but God did people still whine when they got killed.I was poor when I started and damn good when I finished.Nobody cared when I was bad but they all came on to complain when I was winning every game.
Incidentally like most PC games it was also full of cheats and hacks.I can’t cheat on X Box.
I doubt those F2P players who are good at this game spend much time whining about somebody having a few bushes or a reload a second faster than them.Not in a game with full uptiers and no two vehicles identical.
TL:DR
Maxed crew (taking ~50 hours or 400 golden eagles): Able to sustain 5.5G indefinitely without any loss of vision (maybe not indefinitely, but I ran out of altitude to trade for speed to sustain it (at least 35 seconds)
A crew you’d have upon reaching rank 3 (Lvl 2 stamina/G-force): Passes out after 21 seconds.
14 second difference executing the same maneuver in the same plane from the same altitude using the (within reasonable deviation) same control inputs at the same speeds on the same map.
And “400 golden eagles” may not seem much. Make that 400 golden eagles per nation you fly. So, for me that’d be 400 for USSR, 400 for GER, 400 for IT, 400 for JAP, 400 for BRIT (USA I got maxed). Make it even more 400 GE for each slot (like, I like having at least 1 crew slot naval, 1 crew slot army, 1 crew slot interceptor or some other niche flex).
Or, 50 hours for USSR, 50 hours for GER, 50 hours for IT, 50 hours for JAP, 50 hours for BRIT to be able to use your aircraft to its full potential… at BRs 3.7-5.3.
You have players paying for packs at £60 so put it in to perspective.I can see that I spent but small amounts .89p a time.Yes it all adds up but that is the nature of the business.
If it so unplayable then why do you continue.I have hit a brick wall now mid tier and I pretty much stopped playing but at lower WW2 levels it was pretty easy to and cheap to get crew skills.
Nothing will stop you facing rich players.That is life and we all know it’s a game to make money.My issue is that despite paying the game has become unplayable in other ways now and its all money wasted.
Pilots blacking out is just one single thing to worry about.Just one thing to spend crew skills earned on.
What is your answer to players spending on a game made to get players to spend? it’s like calling out a Casino.
You offer exclusive units, you offer faster progression to new non-exclusive units. You offer cosmetics.
You know, the same thing respectable and successful PvP games do. EA/Activision products are as far from respectable as you can throw them with their “Sense of Pride and Accomplishment” before anyone cites them.
As for why play?
Warthunder has a very accessible control scheme for flight control (it could be better, I wish it recognized double-tapping as a control input. Also that it had mode switches. I am running out of keys.), has a very good variety of aircraft and usually full lobbies.
My other flight sims are singleplayer and don’t do props well.
I would never pay £60 for a virtual tank I will never own but not everybody is me.I am a long way behind the big spenders and I think I spent big.I’m nothing.
Bushes mean nothing when you have big arrow over you head or you have been scouted.Crew skills rarely mean anything in a game where many nations don’t even have servers or good net.
The G suit thing is about the only example and like I said you do get free skills.
overtime.
Nothing has convinced me this game is Pay to win.Maybe those who use this stupid term would be better served by using a term that means something, something it’s users can defend on a forum.
Is War thunder fun any more? No .Is it worth bothering with in 2025? No. Is it pay to win? Simply no. Is it unfair and unbalanced? Very much so and would be even if there were zero charges.
That’s just the perceived unfairness from someone who hadn’t spent a cent, both f2p and paid players contribute the same by playing the game, but one of them contributes more by also paying, ain’t that justified to have a “little” advantage over someone who doesn’t pay and only offers the bare minimum? that just straight out ignores and downplays the role of money in certain transactions, and expects a luxury service for free because someone else paid for it. Disgusting lol