I have seen way to many people calling people out, calling them “pay to win” and stuff like that because they are in a premium vehicle, and not because of their skill, so my point still stand.
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Fair enough.
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It’s pay to have an advantage
I dont always pay attention to the level of tier, up or down(I know I should) but I do on occasion have a brilliant game getting 8 or more kills and nearly every time the sense of elation is later dumbed down by me reading the match report and getting the picture that I face tanks from a BR below on most occasions.So me me that up tier or down tier is the key not any kind of spending.
If you could buy a permanent down tier then that would be as close as you might get to P2W.
I have seen a 5BR Panther just sit and wait for the 4BR tanks to come at him and just hit them when they do and they just bounced off his front Armour, that was his game.He got 8.Same with a Tiger two at 5.7 who just went up the middle of Cargo port and did the same. 10 kills for no life lost.Hard to talk pay to win under those kinds of circumstances.Hard to talk balance at all when that is happening.
I just think people on this forum detach themselves from the actual game play and just start talking unrelated principle when they jump on here.
I only base my opinion on what I see and experience.
As a payer for years I find that the only thing that really helped in the game itself is map knowledge,watching replays and the down tier when it comes.
I wouldn’t agree completly with crew slots and backups, because you still need to know how to use the vehicles to have an advantage of it. On the other hand if you know how to you have more options to adapt to a certain situation.
Crew skills, yes definitly even it’s more of a minor advantage, it is still an advantage.
Bushes are a very underrated factor in my opinion. Being seen and remaining unseen is the very (maybe even the most) crutial factor at least RB (I haven’t played SB yet, but I think it’s the same there) and therefore bushes can make a hugh difference. For this reason bushes needs to be available for everyone or removed completly. The current solution with the battlepass is not really satisfying because you have to grind a lot. I can tell myself as I currently trying to grind the battlepass (Level 52 at the moment) if I wouldn’t have had vacation during december I wouldn’t have enough time to get there, because the tasks are often very difficult or specific to fulfill on a daily basis if you working a fulltime job in my opinion.
If the OP post is because they had a bad game or a bad streak it is understandable, the whole game just seems so annoying and broken.
Every aspect coding, matchmaking, BR system, balancing, all of it seems purpose built to annoy the hell out of people.
If this has changed over the years from games you purchased and played to the perpetually on-line set up with the monetization of every aspect of a game has made the experience worse then it is only going to get worse.
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Just a bit of FyI, gajin entertainment makes about $120 million a year. Their studio hired roughly 500 people. Even in half of that went to bills and other such things, that means each employee is clearing roughly $120,000 a year.
The median income just in the U.S. is only about $38,000 a year.
Remember this next time you see a premium vehicle for the price of a AAA game.
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Honestly, good on them if they are making that much, genuinely see no issues there. Given how popular a game WT is, that’s honestly a fairly good salary.
I just hope they treat their employees well :>
If WT is pay to win, why do all those premium players die like flies? They payed the most and yet…
Crew slots are designed to increase with time and gameplay. I have many crews/nations maxed and I usually pay just 100 GE at game start to get 1st 20ish levels
Backups you get thru playing
Crew slots 5 are enough. 3 tanks, 1 plane, 1 AA
Bushes sometimes help a bit, most ppl don’t use them
Yes, paying a bit will save you time and make it slightly easier
But you still have to win yourself
This is highly skill and luck based game
This does not qualify as pay to win game
high tier will remain unavailable if you refuse to buy premium time but mid tier are more fun anyways.
Overall, wt has successful business model
It’s a great game, it’s silly to expect giving nothing and requiring anything. Be happy by what you’ve got.
“it’s not pay to win unless you win every time” - the liar’s definition of pay to win
The real definition of pay to win is buying player power, which is exactly what WT is.
You can lie to yourself all you like, but this is what those terms mean.
I don’t get why the hopelessly lost fanboys can never admit what p2w is or how it applies to the games they play, but you see this sort of mindless dishonesty in the player base of every single f2p game.
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Someone having a different opinion of it does not make htem a liar
Certainly “buying player power” is what WT is, but if you think that means winning all the time then you seriously over-rate the skill/ability of the WT player base!!
You don’t have to be an a-hole when expressing your disagreement with someone.
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lol
You might want to read what i wrote again, because i specifically said that p2w DOES NOT MEAN WINNING ALL THE TIME.
Also:
“adhominems are against the rules”
immediately calls me an asshole
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Agreed, but this is how Gaijin makes their money and there not really going to do anything about it sadly. And there’s no point in making a post about it
Lol, it turns out the Keen Vision crew stat is even more busted than I originally thought, at least this explains why I seemingly die to tanks that come from the ether.
P.S. Never use MGs.
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I didn’t actually call you an a-hole at all - I said you don’t have to be one - perhaps you could follow your own advice about reading.
And despite what you said P2W is very descriptive and says EXACTLY what it means - altering the meaning to suit your poor argument doesn’t make it true.
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Super pay to win
Well, if we define “pay 2 win” like that, then certainly war thunder is pay 2 win.
This definition doesn’t care if you can get the power through playing too.
For my understanding, the definition is lacking one decicive word: “exclusive”.
I don’t mind war thunder to be p2w by your definition, as I don’t have a problem with it.
I do however mind p2w by my definition.
So for the sake of the debate, we should probably state which p2w type we mean.
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Please tell me how is buying one premium tank is buying a power, when we all know you need line up for Ground otherwise you are wasting your time and getting smashed???
I cant belive you guys actually think having premium vehiecle gives you any advantages except I can grind faster… Just redicilous
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You are attributing the quote to the wrong person. Just saying…
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It is more ridiculous not to recognize that the game is paytowin for having a vehicle that has advantages over other branches such as the DS38 or the BMD4 or the mig 21S, there are no other vehicles that are the same. Vehicles that give you an advantage in combat are pay to win and have you already forgotten the bushes?
And that vehicle templates can be obtained with real money? Or is there a way to get a template of 20 vehicles totally free compared to people who are Warthunder patrons for free??? well no, it’s impossible so if warthunder is P2w
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