Vixen at 8.3?

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What a lot of people forget about is that SIM whoever can dictate engagement wins.

Vixen excels at that just because first of all it have Radar with IFF. That alone in Sim at BR where most planes do not have radars or RWR is huge advantage.
Speed is other thing. Playing when 8.3 is top BR is just like clamping your balls. Sure you can do it but it wont be fun. No nation except US F3D, France early Voutour and Israel Meteor have similar abilities.
Which means all nations relly only on Eyeball Mk.I to spot.

Good luck defending against Vixen who finds you on radar, dips below your nose and fires missile from below your tail.

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I haven’t played with Red Tops in a while but don’t they have absolutely atrocious range and can be out turned with ease?

From what I can gather the main complaint is that the Vixen is killing you without you seeing it… but in the scenario that an aircraft approaches your low 6 without you seeing it you’ll be gunned down anyways. “It’s the one you don’t see that gets you”.

On another note isn’t this the exact same way that F-104’s fly? Granted it fights aircraft with flares (not all however) but it has missiles with greater range off memory and at the end of the day once again if you don’t see the F-104 behind you then you won’t be flaring anyways.

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The range was greatly improved a while back. And the problem isn’t that the Sea Vixen can kill you if you’re unaware (though the fact that it has all the tools to do that at a BR where people aren’t otherwise likely to encounter threats that can engage from further than 1000m doesn’t help), the problem is that even if you do know it’s there, there’s nothing anything at the BR can do about it. The Sea Vixen has so much performance relative to literally everything else that it gets to operate with total impunity.

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When fired from a Lightning, maybe…. I’ve been hit in the face by Sea-Vixen-fired ‘’’rear aspect’’’ Red Tops after breaking into them through >90 degrees.

None of the UK 8.7s come close to the Sea Vixen in overall capability:

Scimitar. The Scimitar is also a carrier-based strike fighter able to carry 4 missiles with similar air-ground loadouts and top speed 13 kts faster. Probably closest to Sea Vixen in ability.

Pros:

  • Has guns (which you’ll struggle to ever get on target due to atrocious handling)

Cons:

  • Missiles are worse - 9Bs
  • No radar/IFF - ranging radar only.
  • No RWR.

Javelin. The Javelin is also superficially similar to the Sea Vixen, carrying 4 missiles and radar/IFF (although a near-useless radar last time I looked at it). If anyone really doesn’t know why Javelin is the inferior aircraft…

Pros:

  • Has cannon - mounted in the wings with convergence issues.
  • Has afterburner… which only works above 20k ft.

Cons:

  • No air-ground loadouts.
  • No RWR.
  • Slower, way slower, 50 kts slower.
  • Missiles are worse.
  • Losses all E with any manoeuvre.
  • Falls out of the sky with any hit.

Swift F.7. The Swift hasn’t got much in common with the Sea Vixen and is 16 kts slower.

Pros:

  • Has cannon.
  • Missiles might be more ‘fun.’

Cons:

  • No radar/IFF.
  • No RWR.
  • Fewer and worse missiles - useless in any kind of manoeuvre.
  • No air-ground loadouts.

Even at 9.0 the Hunter F.1 is a bit slower, has no missiles at all, has no radar/IFF, has no RWR. To find anything undoubtedly ‘better’ in the British TT you need to go to the Harrier GR.3 at 9.3 (though it lacks the SA that comes with radar/IFF) or the Lightning F.6 at 9.7 (lacks any air-ground loadouts).

Looking back down the TT… Yeah, the Sea Venom at 8.0 sure is ‘just a bit’ worse than the Sea Vixen at 8.3… Would you like to buy a bridge?

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this is true. sometimes albeit rarely, the red top can make a front aspect kill
earlier i had some talk here about the sea vixen still performing well at the heightened battle rating of 9.0 realistic battles, as i currently am flying this plane myself i can confirm it. therefore i suggest heightening the battlerating in simulator battles too.

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Sea Vixens are obscenely fast for 8.3 and can do that for free, without any risk of ever dying thanks to its objectively higher speed and high TWR.

At 9.7+ they see missiles that can actually reach them while outrunning an enemy - Sea Vixen doesn’t. At 9.7 those 104s only get 9Bs which are worse than Red Tops in every way.

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Not to mention that while the F-104 can outrun everything it faces, it can’t quite out-accelerate everything and if it turns, it dies. Sea Vixen compared to everything it’s matched with is faster, with better acceleration, and more than enough performance in turns to just not care.

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Scimitar is just raw performance and crappy rudder and by raw performance I mean SPEEEEEED AND POWAH!

Rare British plane that will just laugh at you in any vertical fights.

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I ressurect this just to point out that the issue still persists currently, which means if you have a german/Swedish team vs a British/American team, like I just had. 2 Sea Vixens, 1 Attacker, 1 Cougar, 1 F2H2 Banshee.
It becomes a shooting gallery, even with the Sea Hawk, wich is the only “german” missile fighter in that BR range, and it’s flight performance doesn’t really hold up against the Sea Vixen, as that one can just spiral climb you to hell, or set you up for any of the other fighters.

You are soo proper F****D!
Especially if they have even just rudimentary teamwork, but even in Isolation, if you fight a Sea Vixen, you can only get them if they do something stupid, like trying to blow through via a Headon.

There is nothing a german team can reply with, as there is nothing that is fast enough or has enough T/W to turn with it without loosing to it, as they can’t use energy. And if they are not asleep at the wheel, you can forget about trying to hit them with a 'Winder.
And it’s about 200 km/h slower than the Vixen, and so thrust limited that we rarely see those 933 km/h unless in a dive.

And that’s with the Sea Hawk…other than that, we have at that BR ME-262 variants, mostly with the MK-108…good luck hitting with that and the Revi. And Me-163 variants with 3 minutes of fuel and a rocket engine, which is the perfect target for the Red Tops.
While being, depending on the module grind 270-339 km/h slower…

We just had one of the Sea Vixen Pilots go 17-2 kills and the other 5-1. It’s the same as with the P-47, P-51 and P-38 a few BRs before…if you put a Pilot in there that has more than 2 Braincells to rub together, this thing is going to dominate…hard.

As for Dodging red tops…yeah try doing that while pressing the attack or maneuvering to avoid an overshoot in a dogfight. Or forcing an overshoot from the opponent.
All of which boils down to that you can’t even win a dogfight that you began from a position of advantage. And if you have bad weather and the roam, flying fighter sweeps ahead of their position, yeah good luck. As the german tech tree has no radar equipped aircraft at that BR, so they can hide in the clouds.

I think frankly those BRs need to be decompressed, as we have late war fighters and prototypes fighting 1946-1955 aircraft. And even that 1 year has massive differences in engine power and aerodynamics. Nevermind having stuff like the Ouragan or Sea Vixen.
And the F.AW. 2 that we were fighting is a 1964 upgrade of the aircraft…so while not on par with other 1960s aircraft…it’s far better than any 1945 or even early 1950s aircraft.
So there should be cut between the late war jets and the early cold war stuff. BTW the Meteor Mk.8 is not a late war jet, that’s the Mk.3.

F-86A and the base Mig-15 should have the same BR same as the MIg-15bis and F-86F, given that they famously fought the duels in Korea and the main decider is pilot skill. (Flown it elsewhere). Canadair sabres should be same as the Mig-17, as they are a bit more powerful.

Honestly having a flowing months/years format instead of BRs would be better, as then you would see the see-saw pattern of advantages in air combat. So every nation should have the upper hand at one time.

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