-Climb
-See viable victim
-Dive
-Line up
-victim tries to turn
-my rudder compresses, miss a strafe
-Lose all altitude
-Run
-repeat but actually kill some enemies
(P-51 personal experience)
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f8f at 4.7 cough, the p63s are good for 4.0, the p47d28 is also good for it’s br, p61c gets an air spawn and climbs well for 4.0 honestly you’re just incorrect here, they just CHOOSE not to climb
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Wow, thats an absolutely correct historical answer
YES! all that energy with a very bad climb rate,…which is why I dont like them in their so very good energy props
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Ever heard of patience and side climbing? Not to be rude, but it takes patience
Thats how you get position
And the introduction of Fox 3’s
I will reply to that.
This is,…a video game, and thus the physics of the game are implemented by the Devs, if you will.
Therefore, if you have a tool that is given to you, you have to use it in the best way possible…the reason for this post, I rarely see it with them, using their given tools in the correct manner.
Maybe thats why I dont understand, I just fly my planes and enjoy them at the MOMENT,…I dont grind, I get my next plane when it comes.
Well said
And that’s the best way to enjoy the game…
But especially now with jets more and more people try to rush through everything .
When I do fly my P51s I am usually in a very patient mood…I will take the time to side climb, and usually wont engage until Im at about at least 580km/hr, and dont thing I will fall under 450km/hr.
The later model P51s seem to be better maneuvering planes…But the P51 has taught me one thing.
The team you are on has a lot to do with its success as an individual. If at the end of battle you are flying 8 v 2, it makes it extremely difficult. I have seen this time and again.
Im no superpilot like you see on Youtube, ie DEFYN and Bad Karma,but not bad…extremely difficult in those circumstances.
The very last P51, super good in all respects.
Grinding is only a thing in player’s heads.
I have no clue WHY those players choose WT to play.
What do you want to do with a toptier plane by rushing through the tree without learning anything?
On the other hand, GJN itself created this grinding thing by allowing players rewards for worse gameplay.
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This problem appears with the 16vs16 battles in ARB. The cloud “feature” makes it even worse. You can’t control anything anymore. It’s more and more random.
I know many very experienced WT players quitted ARB because of this.
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The high speed hit and run tactics that USA planes require just don’t suit the game mode that well, it’s fairly boring setting up attack runs then having to extend and escape several kms to set up again and frankly most people lack the patience for it, not to mention that one team or the other is usually gone within a few minutes leaving you with either nobody to fight, or everybody to fight (which is at least partially due to everybody just slamming into each other head on, it’s in a bit of a graveyard spiral in that regard)
Also when your whole team is on the deck you have 2 problems flying high on USA, the 1st is that you have nobody to support you, 2nd is everybody on the enemy team wants you dead before they go after the low fliers and you just get swarmed under, doesn’t matter how good you are, you are going to struggle against 6 BF-109s. As one of my Highschool teaches once told me “it’s hard to soar with eagles when you work with turkeys”
just because someone is higher doesn’t make altitude pointless, altitude is potential energy. P-51s need >400kph to get the most out of their air frame. if you get caught slow you will have a lot easier time getting fast again if you can dive to gain speed
It’s not… it keeps you from playing what you want.
Because no real alternative and especially with the variety of vehicles, good models…realistic enough but don’t require SIM knowledge, easy to get in.
It doesn’t have good gameplay …but ok…most of the times is fun at least. After the point you have some vehicles you are interested in at least.
You want to tell me missile combat has many things in common with learning to play WW2 props?
Because i have many games in them and i can ensure you you don’t learn a damn about modern jets in WW2 tiers. Even in gun only (i played the event) they behave so much differently you just learn royally nothing…
Hell , WW2 , first jets-Korean era , Modern missile combat… you can really say they are other games altogether.
GJN doesn’t really know what to do with the game , but everything is fine as long as they get money. Cold truth . They have no one to fear , there is no competition. Dc’s and WoT aren’t even direct competition…
They created the grind because that pays. On the other hand you can play forever F2P , no one tells you to pay a dime…they don’t really force you. But you’ll get bored and eventually pay for something.
Imagine the guys that want to play Su-27 and F-16 and they start the game and have to fly P-26 and Chaika… They will buy 100%.
They will learn in the process . In fact with a little effort they’ll have more success in modern t7/8 than the learning process of anything previous.
Without a distinction between the USAAF and the USN fighters your statement is on a stand-alone basis flat wrong.
If you look up the design goals for the 4 main fighter types of the USAAF: P-38 (interceptor with turbocharger), P-47 (most powerful radial engine combined with a turbo-supercharger) and the P-51 (low to medium alt replacement for P-40) and the P-40 itself you find out that there is a difference between designed for, made to and used for.
The story for the USN fighters (Wildcat, Hellcat and Corsair) has nothing to do with high altitude escort missions as the combat altitudes were much lower - that is also the reason why the Bearcat sucks above 5-6 km as they were optimized for combat up to 4 km.
Not really.
US fighters worked in general with 2 prerequisites:
- Altitude / energy advantage - AND:
- Numerical superiority
Without that - they sucked irl, and they suck in wt.
What most people forget is that the French Hawks were the only allied fighters able to fight LW pilots at their prime - whilst having a positive K/D ratio.
The success story of the USN pilots in WW 2 is based on topics wt is unable or unwilling to offer (like asymmetric numbers or just point defense) or if their pilots are able to exploit the speed inferiority of JP aircraft.
Speed is also the reason why subpar USAAF hardware like P-38s or P-47s were so successful in the Pacific - whilst they got clapped by the LW in every fight on equal terms in 1943 and the beginning of 1944.
Regarding the P-51:
are you really trying to cite an AI slop WW2 youtube history channel?
maybe try watching videos that consult actual references like these
last being a series of videos
Everybody knows Greg - and everybody is aware of that he is a P-47 fanboy.
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and everyone knows AI slop on youtube is just about the least accurate source in existence
also doesnt change the fact that greg is doing calculations based on real historical data and using actual formulas
Not sure what you want to accomplish here.
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The whole idea of this thread is to discuss US prop teams and P-51s in wt - whilst wt and irl are complete separate worlds. So if a fellow player states things like US fighters would have been “made to escort bombers at 5-8 km altitude” he is not correct; same as a guy who agrees with this view.
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Therefore my initial reply has to be seen as it was meant to be: Direct feedback to a not correct claim. Idc if the rest of my post has hurt your feelings or not.
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Coming with Greg would be somehow ok if we would talk about Air SB - but this topic is tagged as Air RB relevant, so it doesn’t matter what he says. And to be fair: I like the P-47 too.
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So you are free trying to change the narrative - but it is actually totally irrelevant which source you cite as US fighters were actually crap irl and their players suck in wt - at least on average.
And to make this clear: I have about 2.000 battles in US prop fighters (BR 3.3-5.0) under my belt - simply as they require some experience and brain power to make them work and i like this challenge. I don’t like P-51s and prefer P-47s (US, UK, IT, CHN) and the US and UK Hellcat as i don’t like the Corsairs.
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