It was a comparison, which is on topic. The OP was about:
considering the claim that apkws has higher range than vikhr, would you like to tell me the speed and altitude the apache has to be at to be able to outrange vikhrs because it is not possible at 50m. @UniqueScorpions
You ain’t comparing, you’re crying about them being bad which they’re absolutely not, but anyways stay on topic.
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They’re different, yet Vikhrs enjoyed way more effectiveness than Hellfires for the longest time because of its booster and its pathing method, and still enjoys some of its advantages even after your so hated nerf on pen (yet can still OP most of stuff it currently faces from safe distances to IR SPAAs).
The fact Vikhrs got overshadowed by the Kh-38MT for CAS purposes is anecdotal, you can still jump to 11.3 with the Ka-50 and completely dictate the game in a full downtier. I’m waiting for a single 11.3 NATO helicopter (not even a US) capable of pulling that.
and thats without even mentioning the performance of the helis as well. Id kill for a heli that was as tanky as a Ka-52.
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Irony. “Stay on topic” not “he has a point”
If I could magically have my system in front of me, while not being home and tell you, I gladly would.
Don’t most all other helicopter nations get thermals at 10.0 or 10.3? Yup. Thought so. USSR gets them at 11.3? 12.0? (I am not counting the Mi-35m, as 3.73 miles range at 10.7 isn’t viable in the slightest).
Being able to acquire a target with ease, say for instance as an example the G-Lynx, gets 8 hellfires (if I recall correctly) and thermals while being very agile.
Performance ≠ tanky. The KA-52 or KA-50 were designed to be extremely survivable helicopters. Adats has always kept the KA-50 in check, then the German spaa kept the KA-52 in check. Neither out ranges the other. A smart spaa can destroy any helicopter in game with ease, except FnF ones.
The reason why i Bring it up, is because whilst yes, most SPAA can actually deal with any heli with ease. A KA-52 might survive the first hit but few others will. Yes, KA-52 was designed for that IRL. But that should only further push it above the say the AH-64s that are somehow at the same BR, despite having worse airframes and AGMs.
Also gets even worse when you consider that the Teapache doesnt even get IRCM like the AH-64D or Ka-52 does.
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Isn’t it ironic that helicopters that were not built for withstanding damage must get closer, while the ones allegedly built for so have the ability to stay away the furthest due to their available ordnance?
Yup. Its rather annoying. most of the non-FnF 12.0 helis need to move down to 11.3/11.7 except for the soviet ones.
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- Vikhrs does not have na IOG, they are beam riders
- So…
- I poped smoke
- I moved
- I got killed
Advice ?
To the topic:
- AGM-65 would be next to useless, can be easily shot down and they lack severely in their flight performance.
- SAL Hellfires would be enough for US helis if they behave correctly, have correct flight performance, top attack etc. which they don’t.
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Accurate, and i agree.
And they’re not going to behave correctly given how Gaijin has this compulsive habit of basically inventing how ordnance works (current SAL brimstones) instead of nerfing on the quantity of the accurate ordnance.
Considering how badly ircm works on helicopters, I don’t even count that as a reliable feature.
Most helicopters in game are paper, depending on what hits them. Such as an Adats, it will kill any heli. But something like a Mistral, probably will severely damage it.
It has a near 100% success rate vs Aim-9M at the very least. I run Brimstones on the Typhoon exclusively to deal with Helis. As AMRAAM doesnt work because rotor blades dont generate a radar return in PD modes like they should and Aim-9M doesnt work against anything with IRCM.
Which has never stopped a vehicle being added to War Thunder. 2S38 for example has yet to enter production and some like the Falcon were just prototypes.
Yes, and this is an issue, but so long as CAP cost 7-10x more than SPAA, then SPAA needs to be competitive. The fact the ADATS is only 0.3 BR below the Pantsir is just insulting.
But to say there is no option between the ADATS and the Patriot is just false. Plenty of options as far as I am aware.
Looking at a nation I know more, Britain. Options include. Sky Sabre, Supacat HVM, Warrior VERDI II or even just LMM for the Stormer HVM. (If the Stormer HVM was fully modeled, it would easily be better than the ADATS).
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Oh wow, all AGMs can be shot down; clearly fixed wing CAS isn’t OP then… /s
Helicopters don’t need to be OP.
Like Brimstone they are FnF and MMW Radar. It means an Ah-64 could hide and loft AGM-114L
Only exposing the radome and using the ground radar to find and target any tank.
Factor in they ignore smoke, an Ah-64 can carry 16 of them it becomes a balancing nightmare.
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I never said I was against getting more spaa. Don’t put words in my mouth.
Also, the Adats is a hard balance. It’s by far the best multirole spaa in game.
If they made it so, the CAP was cheaper, but you had to take say 4 aams and air target belts, that would be in my opinion balanced.
Where I don’t see balance is helicopter of protection. (This has issues of its own, concerning FNF helis, but the other should get protected too).
I cannot say aim-9ms or the like have irccm problems.
Flying something like an Mi-24 for example, is hilariously bad as the ircm doesn’t do anything. Even actively flaring and the like, a Gepard 1a2 will just smite you with an Fim-92K.
Which I find a bit off, if you use both the passives, and the active defensive systems.
tbh i dont think that really matters with most air superiority jets, just dont let them use ground targets belt instead of locking them to only air targets
what if they added F-22 but locked it to ground RB (no JDAM or SDB II) to give US good AA capability?
no website says they pen 1000mm of armor every souce i see is 750mm - 800mm How the Vikhr Anti-Tank Missile Works || Kalashnikov Media
no, it isnt
What is a better spaa for multirole then?