Accurate, and i agree.
And they’re not going to behave correctly given how Gaijin has this compulsive habit of basically inventing how ordnance works (current SAL brimstones) instead of nerfing on the quantity of the accurate ordnance.
Considering how badly ircm works on helicopters, I don’t even count that as a reliable feature.
Most helicopters in game are paper, depending on what hits them. Such as an Adats, it will kill any heli. But something like a Mistral, probably will severely damage it.
It has a near 100% success rate vs Aim-9M at the very least. I run Brimstones on the Typhoon exclusively to deal with Helis. As AMRAAM doesnt work because rotor blades dont generate a radar return in PD modes like they should and Aim-9M doesnt work against anything with IRCM.
Which has never stopped a vehicle being added to War Thunder. 2S38 for example has yet to enter production and some like the Falcon were just prototypes.
Yes, and this is an issue, but so long as CAP cost 7-10x more than SPAA, then SPAA needs to be competitive. The fact the ADATS is only 0.3 BR below the Pantsir is just insulting.
But to say there is no option between the ADATS and the Patriot is just false. Plenty of options as far as I am aware.
Looking at a nation I know more, Britain. Options include. Sky Sabre, Supacat HVM, Warrior VERDI II or even just LMM for the Stormer HVM. (If the Stormer HVM was fully modeled, it would easily be better than the ADATS).
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Oh wow, all AGMs can be shot down; clearly fixed wing CAS isn’t OP then… /s
Helicopters don’t need to be OP.
Like Brimstone they are FnF and MMW Radar. It means an Ah-64 could hide and loft AGM-114L
Only exposing the radome and using the ground radar to find and target any tank.
Factor in they ignore smoke, an Ah-64 can carry 16 of them it becomes a balancing nightmare.
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I never said I was against getting more spaa. Don’t put words in my mouth.
Also, the Adats is a hard balance. It’s by far the best multirole spaa in game.
If they made it so, the CAP was cheaper, but you had to take say 4 aams and air target belts, that would be in my opinion balanced.
Where I don’t see balance is helicopter of protection. (This has issues of its own, concerning FNF helis, but the other should get protected too).
I cannot say aim-9ms or the like have irccm problems.
Flying something like an Mi-24 for example, is hilariously bad as the ircm doesn’t do anything. Even actively flaring and the like, a Gepard 1a2 will just smite you with an Fim-92K.
Which I find a bit off, if you use both the passives, and the active defensive systems.
tbh i dont think that really matters with most air superiority jets, just dont let them use ground targets belt instead of locking them to only air targets
what if they added F-22 but locked it to ground RB (no JDAM or SDB II) to give US good AA capability?
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no, it isnt
What is a better spaa for multirole then?
Pantsir can also kill tanks as can the VT-1 Both of those SAMs outrange the ADATS.
ADATS isn’t a good tank hunter or a good SAM which is why they cancelled it.
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so you dont actually know and have to test it yourself. are you home yet, have you tested it?
Well some research would tell you the average reload for an abrams crew is 4-5 seconds IRL
it really depends, and that isn’t factoring loader fatigue or off-road stress plus the billion other factors that a loader IRL cannot sustain a fixed reload rate in a combat enviroment as fast paced as wt
This is just not true. M81 smoke has existed for decades and is a multi-spectral obscurant.
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he said ingame
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Well obviously thats true but for years the Abrams had a slower reload than The Russian tanks. Which from what ive seen thier Autoloader is like 7-8 seconds
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Which is as simple as saying: All tanks in-game are equipped with multi-spectral smoke, and literally just modelling MMW the exact fucking same as IIR. Literally a 2 second fix
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clearly gaijin is not interested in doing that. pointless to pretend that they are.
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I’m far more knowledgeable about japanese and swedish autoloaders compared to the soviet style, but they are pretty accurate in game as to what i’ve seen in various documents and videos, that being in the 6 second region for t-80 series and 7 seconds for t-72 and t-90
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