I’ve been recently getting into air RB with good progress, although I’m certainly not the best, and I’ve been researching tech trees and their capabilities.
I own the F-5E FCU, and am considering the US F-5E in the very near future, and couldn’t help but notice; why does the US F-5E only have 2x AIM-9J? while the .3 higher FCU gets 2x AIM-9P-4 AND 2x Python 3s?
Wouldn’t it only be fair to give the US F-5E AIM-9P-4s instead of 9Js and keep it at 11.0? It wouldn’t even be an insane performance boost, just keeping it relatively fair and would allow its missiles to track more consistently (Since P-4s are just 9Js with an all-aspect seeker).
TBH, too far, they’re not THAT good. Remember the MiG-23ML/A/D are 11.7
I’m talking within the scope of the current unfortunate case that is these compressed BRs, so I don’t believe 9P-4s would warrant a BR increase for the upgrade that they provide, they’d be at best more consistent IMHO.
I believe the F-5s have their BR because everyone wants to turnfight things that they can’t, which is also the A6M’s problem, and Gaijin ends up sending them up in BR based purely on statistics
This is just my subjective opinion. Honestly, I trust the aircraft’s cannon more than the IR non IRCCM missiles in this BR. In fact, most of my kills on the Mig-23MLD, if not from the R-24R, came from the 23mm cannon much more than the R-60M. The F-5 is a cannon-focused aircraft
btw i can put down migs 23 with my f-5E for germany why you dont do the same you have a good movement the others oponents are boats try to do more energy fights and be good in that bro
These F-5s are borderline overperforming already due to their extremely ease to use nature and the fact they almost can’t lose a dogfight they get into if the pilot isn’t braindead. They would need fixes to their IR signature, damage models, and overperforming flight models before they could receive buffs.
Sure, I understand it is a gunfighter and that they should be your primary source of kills and I fully intend to use it as such, however I do think it is a little unfair that the .3 higher FCU has 4x missiles superior to the 9J, of which the US F-5E only gets 2x
I also think it’s unfair the F-5 has a 5x better flight model than anything at 10.0-10.7, cold engines that have been bugged since its release preventing IR locks constantly, a hugely overperforming damage model, etc. The issue is BR compression. You should learn this sooner rather than later.
The MiG-23 is no slouch in a dogfight, but if it’s a good player they won’t turnfight an F-5. Almost any aircraft can outspeed/outclimb it if their attack run is unsuccessful (which they should. Yet again, take the Zeroes as an example. They got their BR because everyone was turnfighting them when they were NOT supposed to, at all, same with the F-5s, don’t turnfight them and they won’t be that insanely powerful)
Maybe the old unnerfed FM from years ago, what do you think it’s contending with nowadays?
It’s not the same. A P-51 has a much easier time eventually killing an A6M in a BNZ attack through repeat attempts than any jet does to kill an F-5. The F-5 has bugged engine temps which makes IR locks difficult and flaring easy for it, it has a large number of flares, the damage model is overperforming, and the flight model is better at its BR than the A6M’s is at its BR for avoiding shots and dogfighting.
Well that’s just a downtier issue, those are rarely fair. I agree with you on that, however putting it up in BR makes it more likely to face aircraft that would more likely than not, completely outmatch it when played right, which should be the base for comparison (not the below average players that drive winrates down and send certain vehicles soaring up or down in battle rating)
But yet again, it can be outsped, especially in a climb, by most aircraft in its BR range. The way I see it, it is a dogfighter first and last, nothing else
BR decompression does not simply “uptier aircraft”. Nor do higher BR aircraft fully counter the F5. The F5 will ALWAYS beat them in dogfights and will ALWAYS be able to easily defeat their missiles to defend itself.
If true, that’s certainly a GaijinTM moment and should be patched lol, though I’m curious as how bad the temps are, I don’t have great trouble locking F-5s with IR missiles
Well there we go again, you aren’t supposed to turnfight a dogfighter then be disappointed when you lose to it. Sure it’s a harder time than with WW2 aircraft, but it is still the same concept. A MiG-23/21/J-7D for example, should come out on top every time if it is being played correctly
You aren’t reading. An F-5 has elementary level of difficulty in defeating ANY incoming missiles in the BR bracket it sits at. You also AREN’T going to hit it with guns when 1. It’s going to be head on’ing you by default because it never has to enter a merge in a negative scenario, it’s always going to be a neutral merge but also 2. It’s one of the squirmiest, squirreliest, smallest aircraft in the game and it can evade any attempt you do to try to gun it. This leaves you with the ONLY viable method to kill it generally being to catch it unaware or try to beat it in a dogfight.
No, they can’t. Every single one of these aircraft get curb stomped by the F-5 in a dogfight.
