I support this view of it, its not drastic compared to reducing the matchmaker to ±0.7. Changing the BR range would just result in even worse changes.
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SimEC is always here for those who don’t like uptiers.
Mig-15s were always 8.3 and 8.7, they were never 9.0; F-84Gs always could face Mig-15s, which they should have the chance to to so.
Mig-15 Bis ISH is as good as the original Mig-15, it’s not compressed at 8.3.
J34 and Hunter F1 are essentially identical from my understanding.
“Sea Jesus” is its BR because people dogfight it.
The flare equipped F-104Gs should be the same BR.
And the rest is part of the 9.3 compression I was speaking on.
That’s not how math works. Compressing the matchmaker only causes issues.
The T-55AM1 is a perfect example. It’s one of the best 8.7’s in the game, way better than the fellow T-62 or Obj. 435, but not quite 9.0 material due to the rather bad dart.
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You picked the two extremes of the game where the lowest skill players reside. That said, it woudn’t take a good F-15 pilot to kill you in a Mirage F1, just a decent one. It’s not a good example.
Maus would be another good example.
Gaijin removed it because “it’s impossible to balance” because “it’s too good to face 6.7s, but too bad to face 8.7s”…
And I am like: THEN HOW ABOUT DECOMPRESSING SO IT DOESN’T HAVE TO FACE 6.7 NOR 8.7 INSTEAD OF REMOVING IT FROM THE GAME!?
T-55AM-1 is not one of the best 8.7s in the game, it’s not even in the top 5 8.7s in War Thunder.
T-55AM-1 is very much 8.7 material.
- full uptier is an issue
- buh buh but is only 4 full up tiered ( and other 4 up tier )
- noooooo you have to explain why this br bracket has more advantage than your lineup! ( like i dont know the game )…
- noooooo the mm is fair and the MAPS are perfect! is a skill issue that you cant pen a tank fully up tiered, fully stabilized with your stock tank! you are doing something wrong! delete the game!
and the list goes on and on. people hiding behind their finger…
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It’s easily one of the best 8.7’s.
What would you put above it if it’s not top 5?
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Yeah I do know.
But I’m genuinely curious about this. A lot of nations don’t even have 8.7 lineups (none as thicc as the Soviets) hence why Soviet 8.7 as top tier is nuts.
Hint: he doesn’t use logic when he speaks. He’s going to tell you some shit like the M60A1 RISE is superior.
T-55M [Finn], the laser range finding Centurions [Sweden, Israel], AMX-30B2 [I like my thermals and meta dart over not having a stab], 8.7 M60s [dart and stabs in Israel and USA], and to top it off I’d rather use the PTZ89 over the T-55A series of tanks. 3BM25 is not a fun round to use, and it’s really the best option you have cause ATGMs rely on gun depression and HEATFS is HEATFS.
I see Italy is claiming that facts are outlandish.
Also Sweden, France, Israel, and China have superior 8.7 lineups to USSR. Britain has one that’s on-par.
T-55M has a better round by miles but no addon armour.
M60’s are M60’s.
The AMX-30B2 gets stuck playing defence without a stab.
China’s 8.7 line-up is 2 TD’s and a squadron vehicle (the PTZ89 is slept on though).
I dunno the T-55AM1 is looking rather good vs that.
There’s no other 8.7 line-up beating this in numbers and strength tank wise. I’m still missing the Obj. 685 and the ATGM carriers too…
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I play AMX-30B2 as aggressive as I play my stab tanks.
Stab just reduces at-speed emergency response time by ~300ms, which shouldn’t matter outside ears being distracted by aircraft.
T-55A has ammo that’s 34% worse than everything I mentioned in pen alone, and even worse in spalling armor as armor spall is based on mass of the round.
Out of your lineup the best thing there is the BMP-2, and it’s balanced at 8.7 as well since all 9.0 IFVs are superior to it.
I honestly delete my 8.7 Soviet lineup the moment my AMD-1 is spaded.
China’s 8.7 lineup is ZTZ59D1, Object 122, PTZ89, PGZ09, and Z11WA. And I’ll take the ZTZ59D1 over the Object 122 being a T-55A equivalent tank. There’s also a premium you can get sometimes, like T-55AM-1.
I prefer penetration over half covered chemical armor protection.
NATO superiority spoiled me since my T-55AM-1 days and I’ll never look back.
It matters a ton if you want to be aggressive and mobile. It is nearly impossible to shoot while moving forward, which means the enemy will get the first shot off before you if you are moving.
The reason people have differing opinions on this, is because they have different playstyles.
However, the T-55AM-1 has no business facing unstabilized 8.0 tanks as much as it does currently.
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That’s why you move toward them at an angle. Reduced wobble, increases reaction time.
It’s essentially stab reaction time in cities/CQC maps.
T-55AM-1 is just part of the 8.7 lineup, it’s as good as Chieftain. Chieftain gets better round, worse speed.
LRF/rangefinder would matter more if large maps were more common in the matchmaker.
My performance in AMX30B2 is what it is because of my aggression.
I know how to play unstabilized tanks, I do it often.
I’m not saying you can’t be aggressive, but I’m saying you are really understating the downsides of not having a stabilizer. It means you cannot shoot forward when moving, and it prevents you from ambushing someone because you need to be stopped or slow to fire accuratly.
Well yes.
That’s why I mention the fact that AMX-30 has the best APFSDS round at 8.7 MBTs while having thermals as well.
Thermals helps long range, APFSDS helps all range, and lack of stab matters most in the long range engagements so the thermals helps alleviate the problem.
And it’s okay to avoid the tank due to its unique quirks.
Just as I’ll avoid playing T-55AM-1 leisurely when my AMD-1 is spaded.
Its quirks are different enough for me not to want to deal with them anymore, and that’s okay.
MiG-15 and MiG-15bis, A-5 and F-25 Sabre was 9.0BR until the F-4C and MiG-21F-13/J-7II came into the game. Also, there were literally no aircraft sitting at 8.7 and 8.3 BR at the time, except for the Me 163 B-0.
This screenshot is from 2017, but you can see from old CC videos such as OrangeDoom and how the old Jet RB matches worked back then.
I have far more MiG-15/MiG-17 experience than the average Jet player, including you, but the F-84G is almost impossible to beat against MiG-15/MiG-15bis and the only way to win is the MiG-15 player is very dumb and yet he is a sitting duck for some reason such as got damaged or bleeded speed a lot on farball.
IDK if MiG-15 player’s teammate gets wiped but, It is almost impossible for an F-84G to beat a MiG-15/MiG-15bis in a 1v1 duel.
ISh is one of overpowered jets rn because it has almost same flight model with MiG-15bis which is sitting 8.7BR. It has huge pylons on wings but, the performance drop is almost imperceptible.
Although not as better as the F.6/FGA.9, it has better engine thrust from F.1 and can have x2 AIM-9Bs.
If the BRs were not compressed, J34 would have sat in the BR between Hunter F.1 and FGA.9.
Sea Jesus can literally do both dogfighting and BNZ in its BR because of insane thrust.
The F-104G(Germany) is fine in that BR, but the F-104G(Italy) is less competitive than it because it lacks the x4 AIM-9Js. It should have a lower BR than the German one, but with the current meta that is not possible because of BR compression.
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TBH I would like to see sim rotation BR matchmaker in ARB matches because it would fix BR blackhole issues.