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There is no such thing as disappointment.

There is a huge injustice out there. I think this is the same in other game modes. The situation of the tanks against the helicopters is truly deplorable. At least the people there are equivalent to each other.

The introduction of the EBR 1951, designed to serve in a different field against the Panzer4, is a comedy in itself.

These kids don’t actually read what I write. Maybe when these friends went to kindergarten, I was playing this game with a different account. The proof of this is the old Battle of Britain event, the new addition of trees and the monster called yak3p having the same br as 109g2. Older players will probably know.

Also, believe it or not, I often quit the game without landing the planes because I got bored.

If the producers fall for the words of a few brats and fail to see the injustice, then the situation is not good.

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Do you actually know the production date of the P-51 D-30?

The P-51 D-30 was produced in 1945, and the D-30 was not quantifiably different than earlier production blocks. The addition dorsal fin in front of the vertical stabilizer was added with the D-20 block. The only other change was adding a metal elevator starting in February 1945. Both of these modifications would also be retrofitted on previous D blocks.

The performance advantage of the P-51 D-30 over the other P-51s is due to the fact that it is running on 75" of manifold pressure. This is a change that was approved in March of 1944 and was used operationally in Europe.

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The Bf.109 K-4 did not even enter service until October 1944…5 months after the higher manifold pressure ratings and high octane fuel was approved for use in Allied fighters. The Bf.109 K-4 would not even be approved to run it’s in-game engine setting of 1.98 ATA until February/March 1945…almost a full year after the Mustang was approved to run at the higher engine settings.

The same can be said of the Bf.109 G-14 which didn’t enter service until after D-Day.

The 75 inches manifold pressure P-51 is 100% historically contemporary to the late model Bf.109s. In fact what the US tech tree is missing is a late model P-38 that is running 2000hp per engine instead of the 1550hp that it has in game.

A P-51B with 75 inches manifold pressure would curb stomp the Bf.109 K-4 in basically every performance metric while having a very similar climb rate.

The same thing can be said about the Griffon powered Spitfire variants; they were using 150 octane and 25lb boost settings in 1944 in order to chase V1 Buzz Bombs; the Mk 14 variant that we have in game instead runs its lowest manifold pressure setting instead.

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Look, on this page it is mentioned that the d30 entered service in mid-1945. that is, the date of its passing into the hands of the armies.

Guys say that the d30 series does not even go to war.

In short, the main rival of k4 is the d20 25 series.

I may have exaggerated about dogfighting, but a professional pilot using the P51 will not lose his energy in a dogfight with the BF109 series. does not take risks. He hits and runs away. However, it is still a very good aircraft with good turning performance and energy retention. It is the only plane made of other wood that I have ever enjoyed playing with.

In fact, it should face models above k4 against the d30. like k6, k14.

Although the Griffon and MK 18 Spitfire series are always equivalent to the K4, they are at the same level as the G10 and 14. It’s like joke after joke.

God knows when other countries’ planes entered service. It’s hard not to go crazy.

I wish POST-WAR PLANES success against the bombers. No sane person would play fighter against such unfair competition. Even though it’s not playing, there are usually bombers on the axis every time I enter.

Note: This Lf series is an exception, I don’t know why they added it. The monster you know. It’s not a problem, depending on the period in which it was produced, it can be defeated somehow, we defeat it, because it is slow. But still, I think it’s unfair.

Simulated battles need to undergo separate evaluation and regulation. Equivalent games are not really playable. I believe that if it is handled, it will be unrivaled in its field.

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I am pretty sure that wasn’t a production model,

The P-38K-1-LO was considered with 2 Merlin engines which would’ve indeed been quite powerful. And it should be the variant you are talking about. But it was never built not even a prototype. The original 1850HP P-38K-1-LO is the one in game. But that was one off, it also used the P-38g airframe, so it does have it’s drawbacks.

Besides that it is weird that some people treat the late war setting G-10 as of it is the introduction version.

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None of the planes listed in the report are one-off prototypes.

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The use of 150 octane fuel and higher manifold pressure settings is historically accurate.

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The D-30 production block deliveries started before the end of the war.

There would be no performance difference between a P-51D-5, P-51 D-20, or P-51 D-30 if they were all running the 75 inches of manifold pressure setting.

You didn’t exaggerate. You outright lied.

Any good player in EC is going to be heavily focused on hit and run tactics. Up-tiering it means that it can no longer has a strength to play to because it no longer has a speed advantage over contemporary Bf.109s.

K-6 and K-14 were never anything more than drawings or prototypes. And they would have performance that is inferior to the K-4 that we already have in game.

The Mk.14 Spitfire entered service in January of 1944 and is running the lowest engine settings possible. That is 6 months prior to Bf.109 G-14 entering service, 8 months prior to the K-4 entering service, and over a full year prior the to K-4 being authorized to use it’s in-game settings.

Any post D-Day Griffon Spitfire would be running 21lb/in of boost if Gaijin was concerned with keeping the game historically accurate. The only problem is that if the Griffon was given its historical engine setting it would very well stomp the opposition.

For reference the only Griffon Spitfire that we have in game that runs the 21 lb/in boost is the Mk.24 and that is all the way at 6.7 BR.

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Ah i missed the page before, stating the Type of P-38 and the engine used.

I misreqd your post, when you stated a “late P-38” i thought you were talking about a different plane or a kodufication. But what you meant was the P38 receiving 150 octane fuel in late war. So the plane remains identical but can run at a higher manifold pressure.

It’s a weird naming convention but i guess gaijin uses the same one.

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p47 d28 is also an aircraft that entered service in 1944. but its br is 4.3.

An incredible aircraft in skillful hands. Some of my friends may think that other people are like them and that they will personalize the incident and reduce it to a dogfight. However, this aircraft is an assertive vehicle even at low speeds. Not to mention high speeds, they have incredible maneuverability at high speeds due to both the g suit and the structure of the aircraft. I guess the fight against Japanese planes was effective in this.

The BR of this vehicle needs to be increased.

The producers have officially designed the game specifically for German planes to fight against planes with higher performance. This thing is starting to get boring now.

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Germany is always paired with Italy in props.

The Italian P-47 D-30 is at BR 3.7 while being slightly better than the P-47 D-28.

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I’m just talking about the American tree.

If d30 is 4.7 as you said, it’s still a problem. It should be at least 5-5.3 or even 5.7.

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Of course you are only talking about the American tech tree because it seems to be the only thing that you have any semblance of awareness of.

The P-47 D-30, the one that is in the Italian tech tree, the one that is a P-47M airframe with a D-28 motor, is at 3.7 BR. It is two BR increments below the American counterpart. The Chinese D-30 is also at 3.7 BR.

Both of these planes are matched with the Axis side and and better than the 3.7BR American counterparts in every possible way.

Germany also has its own 3.7 P-47 that is equal to the US one.

Japan has a premium P-51C that is identical to the American one. That is in addition to the strongest 3.7 BR plane in the entire game; the J2M2.

Your idea that the game is somehow deliberately balanced in America’s favor is just a delusion.

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I’m telling you what I see. Some cunning players are already taking advantage of the situation because they have found these vulnerabilities. Of course, what is 4.3 in America should not be 4 or 3.7 in another country.

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wow, I wanted to make a point that the german p-47 at least doesnt have bombs (and maybe that’s why it’s 3.7 instead of higher).

Looked at chinese and italian P-47 and was horrified to see that they get full bomb/rocket loads. What the actual f***. That’s messed up af. Those should definitely be at least 4.3

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Have a look on the Chinese Sabres^^

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Yep.

OP has never played USA so he doesn’t realize that more often than not the Axis side of the matchmaker has access to the same aircraft that you do.

Something like the P-47s whole niche is being relatively fast. Guess what? The 3.7 US one can’t do that because it fights against significantly better versions.

That’s not mentioning Japan having F4U-1 and P-51C. Or the Chinese tree having P-38L and P-51K.

The F4U-4 is one of the few US planes that isn’t actually duplicated on the Axis side of the matchmaker. Even then I would argue that the Ki-84 is arguably better than the regular F4U-4 in its current state.

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Well i just playing ground sim battles with my 6.7 germany and enemy team team have wehicles from 5,7 until 8.0 and worst thing is that those are french wehicles and british at 7,7 while german team have only one 7,3 wehicle and that is weisel how the fuck is this fair i cant even pen them cuz in sim battles balistics feels alot different and brits have stabs plus apds and french have speed and 100 guns while i got tiger 2 with 88mm gun or jagtiger and until i get somewhere im 20 times flanked or some bullshit snipe also there was soo many times that my 128mm on jagtiger bounced on literally no armor in sim battles it is disgustig while im was killed by 85mm gun from T44 thru my machine gun port its really funny. This match making is worse than in realistic battles.

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1 year later…

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The issue with American aircraft (although each nation is somewhat guilty) is the flight models are broken. Not necessarily from a numbers perspective but from a hand holding refusal to stall correctly perspective. The 109’s have their own problems I’ve nagged about for years but the P-51’s, F4U’s and some (not all) P-47’s take it to a new level.

You can yank the stick into your guts and at times you have to fight them to make them stall, and when they do it’s the laziest roll over you’ve ever seen. The P-51 should have a fairly vicious wing drop.

The Corsair’s (unless something has changed) simply don’t stall. The last time I flew them you could yank the stick back and it’d stay on rails. The P-47’s are the same barring the P-47N which has the most ridiculous stall I’ve ever seen. If you haven’t flown one in a while go take the N into test flight and have a laugh.

Oh and don’t think I’ve forgotten about you P40! You don’t stall full stop you just corkscrew.

The American line-up needs a massive FM update but so do the 109’s. They have a better pull out game than Ron Jeremy and the fact that they pull out of high speed dives just as well as a P-51 is flat out wrong, it saps the Mustangs of a very serious advantage they had.

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I personally believe that the prop br bracket is fine. No side is truly superior. There are imaginary planes( planes that dont have information available to base flight model off of). Even planes like the ki84 have downsides.

You have to also address trends. Manifold pressure drops off in most Axis planes above 15,000 ft. American superchargers get max performance above 20,000 ft without losing manifold pressure. This means that most American aircraft are faster above 20,000 ft than thier axis counter parts. So why does blue side fight below 10,000ft where everything is almost as fast as them or faster and out turns the majority of them?

So lets take a ki84 and place it against the p47m below 10,000ft the ki84 will catch the p47 in a dive and out climb it. It will also out turn the 47. However a simple altitude difference gives the 47 more options.

I think props is balanced but the player base is filled with players that a learning. Players that dont understand that the basics of the game.

Everytime i log on i see p51 pilots stall fight zeros and wonder why they’re losing on the deck.

Everytime i log in people ask how do i start my engine.

Everytime i log in they claim a plane that i killed 6 times is OP.

In general nothing that they typically do contributes to the game and they cry about over performance.

The hard reality of props is that you have to learn counter strategies for your adversaries.

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Most axis fligt models out peform the p51. The 51 is also very heavy if you can keep getting your nose up against the 51 in a bf109 youre golden. He runs out of speed and you just circle around him.

My first time flying a 109 i farmed 51 pilots doing just that. The bf109 has exceptional handling have you heard of flaps?