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to stalk the profile of another player to then write here how incompetent he is. this really sucks.

people are allowed to write their subjective experiences here. even if someone is wrong, there is no crime.
the performance data of the aircraft in Sim are not so accurately reproduced. since Sim is a RB modification in which update for update things are changed. in addition, the constant call of the entire WT community for balancing. the Cal. 50, for example, have been improved, degraded, and improved again, and changed again, update after update. even the flight characteristics of the aircraft and even the engines are sometimes changed. so everything in the game is just a snapshot.
A game with such a poor map and scenario design and modified RB planes generally doesn’t have a high level of detail.
…or make a graphic of which third person bomber gunner can shoot the farthest… cough yes I don’t even want to know

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IrzDusmani

I can only recommend you to fly together with other people and talk about Discord.
you can learn so much from each other. exchange impressions and opinions. get into conversation with other players without posting in an annoying forum.

if you are lucky you will find people who like teamwork and who are funny. You should avoid “I am the best” people.

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If I find a game with good alternative playability, I will skip it, but this game is the best right now.

I’m sure the producers are aware of these imbalances in the game.

What I don’t understand is that some people are still incapable of explaining the obvious injustices with the graphics they put up. Even as the years pass, the number of children in this forum environment does not decrease. The interesting thing is that when I voiced the same similar problems 10 years ago, the same shameless incident was brought up again to the Luftwaffe-gasoline deadlock. Just from this inference, you can make an inference about the relevance of the friend who is talking about the hardware on the subject to the game. We explain it 30 times and they come back with the same arguments over and over again. In our Turkey, there is a saying “as if you were explaining it to Bilal”. I would like to explain it in detail so that my friend can understand.

There is no such thing as a hassle when it comes to climbing. You start the game at the highest altitude before the simulation battle. However, seeing the enemy is a different problem since you are confined to the cockpit in the simulation environment. And this does not make a difference like in realistic wars. I would like to point out again that this climbing problem is largely solved thanks to the high speeds of American aircraft. Since the simulation battles generally take place at medium altitudes and the mentioned f4u4, d30 and griffon planes generally perform well at low altitudes, there is not much of an altitude advantage. I would also like to point out that the problem here does not cover the K4 series. Since they were active in the same period as p51 d30, dogfights are generally enjoyable between them. Still, the d30 series is more comfortable to play than the k series. The problem is that we cannot explain to our friend that the BR of the d30, corsair f4u 4 series is too low. There is no way the 109g10 14 series can fight these planes. I’m not even getting into the manual engine control issue. Let me give advice to a friend who uses D13. When it has to catch a faster plane, it achieves much better performance when it manually turns off the radiators. Of course, you should pay attention to engine temperature.

I DO NOT MAKE ANY INTERESTS FROM THE VALUES YOUR FRIEND PRESENTS ON PAPER. I AM PROVIDING MY EXPERIENCES IN THE DOGFIGHTS THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY DONE.

It is said to have similar performance, believe it or not, the D30 and G10 perform much better than the G10 in turns even with the flaps fully open. It would be funny if there was no mention of maneuvering at high speeds, energy retention and weapons.

I guess there is such a situation in the game environment. Axis players always have to fight against planes that are much better than them. For example, Panzer4 facing EBR 1951 or F4U4 aircraft with the same BR as G10. One of them entered service in 1944, the other in 46-47. At least in “Simulation Wars” this balance needs to be observed. I was also involved in the fight between the planes that entered service in the same years, there is balance in their fight. Some turn easily, some can maintain their energy, and some seem to maintain control at low speeds. It’s time to give up on this.

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How many times do we see players come on here to ask for changes, but they have no experience with what they want changed? Flying the aircraft itself and fighting against it are two very different experiences.

FeetPics was just taking the time to cross-check to make sure the OP argument is valid, and it turns out, it is not. Doing some research and trying to prove a point is not stalking, sir.

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There is no justice, like the T-62 tank fighting in the simulation, very modern tanks in almost everything, such as CV-90105 and Merkava tanks, there is no justice, unfortunately.

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Yes, the conclusion drawn by the friend who did cross-experimentation was that since there was no gasoline in the Luftwaffe, it should be treated accordingly.

You insist on not understanding. To summarize the current situation in the game, it is to put 109 k4, which has a level of 5.3, against 109 g10, which has a level of 5.3. There is no other explanation for this. There is no point in making anyone look like a fool. I even increase it even more. It is to put bf109 f4 in front of bf109 e4. Corsair f4u 4b or 4 series completely replaces f4. For your friends to understand further, you can see that yak3p and 109g2 have the same BR.

These forum environments are usually the scene of verbal fights, that’s why I don’t like them.

I hope modern war vehicles will be saturated and focus will be on WW2 vehicles.

I have to repeat, I saw that in this game, Yak3p, which has the same combat rate, was placed against the BF109 G2. I know, some of you may not be old enough, we have experienced this ourselves, the old ones are witnesses to this. I know that the red baron called yak3p hunted down 4-5 planes one by one.

Likewise, I know that in the technology tree where the Panther D is located, the t34 85 44 model is placed against the Panzer 4 in the simulation battle.

After stating it here, that error was corrected. Likewise, I believe that the current error will be corrected. Moreover, I see that there are many people who think like me. Again, as in that period, it is obvious that those working at gas stations were in the minority.

Simple and realistic battles do not interest me, but simulation ap should be considered as a separate category and regulations should be made accordingly.

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I would invite the person to Discord to fly together and not deny him competence here on the forum.

The mood in the forum won’t get any better if we all come up with graphics to prove we’re absolutly right.
The mood will only improve if we all at least agree that Sim really needs a big fat major facelift.

…and if people like Stona_WT and others would be kind enough to answer the question. will someone from the high gaijin ivory tower come to our sim forum to answer the most important sim questions? - then we would all be at least a step further here… a small step for a Gaijin worker, a big one for the Sim -Community!
or what’s left of it

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I can’t say much about that. There are so many major issues on the EC sim maps and various basic things that need to be improved.

I find all these details about airplanes very interesting. of course this is all important to be able to play well with it.

But a detailed discussion about P-51D, F4U, Bf 109 G is only really interesting to me when the entire setting around it is improved. just my opinion.

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This “stalking” is merely from looking at his player card which is something anyone can do in-game.

He is not only writing about subjective experience. He is making objectively false claims to justify his subjective opinion.

He claimed that the P-51 D-30 and the F4U-4 are superior to their German counterparts in “every field” of their performance metrics. This is objectively false and is objectively testable.

He also claimed that I do not play sim. This is also counterfactual; I actually have more time played in sim and have used a much wider variety of aircraft. I am not someone who mains only one nation or one plane.

I have actually done my homework and have thoroughly tested things like P-51 D-30 vs late model Bf.109s. I have tested it against some of the most experienced players in the game.

The only performance metric that the P-51 D-30 is superior in is top speed, while being inferior in climb rate, acceleration, and turn performance.

Moving the P-51 D-30 up by a single BR step means that it would be considered equal to the Bf.109 K-4…a plane that is effectively just as fast as it is. And that is the bare minimum of what the OP wants. What he actually wants is for it to have to fight Korean War era jets because that is “historical accuracy”.

This creates a situation where the “best” World War II Mustang is the P-51 D-5…a plane that is vastly inferior to late model Bf.109s in every possible metric outside of straight line dive speed. Essentially what the OP is asking for is to be able to freely seal club in late war German planes because he cannot handle not having massive advantages in every performance metric.

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I must have overlooked that. ok my stalking reproach has thus been settled.

people should claim less in the forum and play more with others via discord. that you both like to do without is visible to everyone here.

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I can only say. I often had bad luck and greek air force as enemy. somehow then every enemy plane feels OP. nevertheless numbers and facts do not lie of course. at least until next update.

Sim has a lot of potential and it can be a lot of fun as a team. but the mode feels like a game in the early access open beta phase. and the developers stopped building after the lunch break.

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Some of you are having a hard time understanding. Once again, defense is started with irrelevant arguments. Of course, we do not want post-war planes to compete with post-war jets or jets that are still in the war. The propellers of their own countries must fight against the propellers and the jets against the jets. However, as an event, defending against me262s etc. would be quite enjoyable.

See, you are benefiting from robotic data regarding d30. The d30 can maneuver much more easily at high speeds, and it is very difficult for the k4 to get away from it when it joins it. Climbing and maintaining energy and climbing are two different matters. “I think” you are deliberately confusing the climbing data between 0-1km and energy conservation up to a certain distance at a certain speed. Of course, the 109 series is successful when climbing is attempted after taking off from the airport. However, when it comes to energy conservation, p51s are much more successful. And again, I have to repeat it 30 times for you to understand some things. P51 can easily outturn 109s and TA152 external FWs at high speeds. Not to mention the Korean War Veteran Corsair f4u4s, they fly even better than the Japanese planes.

I can’t believe I’m telling you such details.

I even increase it, even at low speeds, the D30 can outturn aircraft other than the 109 series and the TA152. KOREAN VETERAN CORSAIR F4U4’s are already worth it, there is no need to discuss it.

I’m going to sound personal, but I don’t believe you tested these planes. You are deliberately defending an obvious injustice.

It would be fair if the d5 series matches with g6 or 14, the d20 series with g10, and the d30 with k4. a8(?) d9 12 13 (garbage?) ta152 for Fws, I can’t find a definition for the KOREA VETERAN corsair monsters. d30 looks like a little brat next to it.

Frankly, new tools are required. like k6 14? As he said in camel, it is necessary to focus on simulation battles.

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“korea veteran corsair monster”
dude they were used as attack aircraft not because of the performance but because of the big bomb load of the corsair

just because it was used in korea doesnt mean its automatically better than its opposition
what if the VIETNAM VETERAN A-1 SKYRAIDER MONSTER went against the ta-152? the a-1 would lose.

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The D-30 flat out does not out turn any Bf.109 at low speeds. The worst turning late model Bf.109, the G-6 at 4.7BR will win a duel against the P-51 D-30 the majority of the time if both pilots are equally skilled and both planes are on equal fuel loads. I have tested this against some of the best duelists in Air SB multiple times at this point.

Is it close? Yes. If either side makes a mistake it is likely that the other can punish it. At the same time though if both players play anywhere close to perfectly then the Bf.109G wins every single time.

If you do not believe me then feel free to 1v1 me in your P-51 D-30 and I will take whatever late model Bf.109 that you want me to. You can show me and the rest of the world how it is supposed to be done.

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Whatever kind of attack aircraft it is, now its turn rate is 20.1 in its fully researched form, while the turn speed of the f4u4 b series is around 19.8.

I’m not even going into the INCREDIBLE turning speeds at high speeds + their flaps don’t even break, our poor German planes break at the slightest move.

It could be used as an attack plane at that time, but in expert hands it does a very good job as a fighter killer in the game.

Also, for some reason, our plane is referred to as a fighter and a navy plane in the game.

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There is no way you can beat your G10 plane by taking it and consuming half of its fuel (if the P51’s fuel minute is min 30). What I will do is simple, when we come head to head, as soon as I dodge your shots, I will climb up and you will drain your energy trying to turn. I, on the other hand, will maintain my energy with high speed and, I don’t know if you noticed, the same level of climbing rate, and constantly attack you from the top. Of course, I will falter and finish him off with a few bullets. Or, when you start climbing, your engine performance will deteriorate from 5km up and I will use this advantage again. Maybe you will run out of fuel, and since the Germans are low on fuel, you will be punished by the divine force without having to do anything.

Well, I don’t know if it’s k4, that’s why I enjoy d30 k4 duels.

Yes, since you have no arguments left, you get nasty and turn it into a duel. I don’t know if you noticed, this is just like Conor McGregor’s challenge to Khabib. Just like me, Khabib said, “If we fight at lower weights, it’s not possible, you can’t beat me, I’ll finish you off.” Then the incident turned into videos on certain porn sites. hahahahaha I don’t want to waste my time with you.

Thanks for making me laugh.

Thank you also for coming up with such ridiculous arguments. You are proving the injustice over and over again.

I repeat again, the fact that d30 corsair Korean Series aircraft are in the same size as g10 is just like d5 and d30 are in 5.3 units, or g14 is in the same size as k4.

STOP THIS INJUSTICE.

UNLESS PROVIDED, I WILL NOT ENTER INTO SIMULATION BATTLES OVER LEVEL 4.0 AND I WILL RECOMMEND THIS TO MY OTHER FRIENDS.

edit = benginner forum member.

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Why?

A simulator does not need to be historically accurate. This is a BS argument

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bohr Alter du nervst. das Thema hatten wir bereits 100 mal. ps. dein Gefasel ist auch BS.

wenns sein muss auch auf english.
there is an AB and a RB mode. there you have national lineups mixed all over the place. Axis and Allies and NATO and everything wildly mixed up with loot vehicles. extra for you! Isn’t that enough for you?
but let other players have their claim

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Es müsste “Boah” heissen.

Abgesehen davon is mein gefasel kein BS. In DCS kannst su zum beispiel einen schweizer KA-50 gegen eine amerikanische P-51 fliegen, und es bleibt ein Simulator.

Ein Simulator muss nicht historische begebenheiten wiedergeben. Wenn du weißt dass dein Argument BS ist, dannn nutz es nicht mehr. Ansonsten musst du dich nicht wundern wenn es immer auf die gleiche Weise wiederlegt wird.

This is irrelevant to the point and you know that. I don’t want mixed nations, but i like facts more and fact is a Simulation does not need historcial precedent… it just doesn’t.

I don’t accept line just because they suit my position.

And stop using the same BS argument that has been rebuked 100 times.

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Why does every argument have to devolve into a purely text based duel where you get to write your own results instead of actually proving your results? Your whole entire mental state is based purely on theory-crafting and no tangible or provable result. You have zero data to back up your claims. Zero practical experience. And when given an opportunity to prove your theory…you refuse because it’s beneath you.

So let’s talk about all of the ways that you are wrong. Because I have actually played both planes in a duel setting and in an EC setting.

First off you are not describing a duel at all. You have made the point that the P-51 D-30 will out turn the Bf.109 at low speeds and that it will win an outright dogfight. That is what I am asking you to prove. In EC if you just run away in a straight line… congratulations you have done the one thing the P-51 D-30 is actually better at. The only thing Bf.109 has to do is go into optimal climb and you will never have a substantial energy advantage; that isn’t if you didn’t accidentally expend too much energy trying to dodge head on.

This is an example of P-51 D-30 vs Bf.109 “in the wild” when the Mustang is flown by someone who has over 100 days of flight time in Sim. I am the Bf.109 pilot.

Even though he merges directly behind me I am able to use my planes superior turn rate in order to gain an advantage on him even though I am starting with less energy and worse position.

You are not too good for me. You are not even too good for the average person in War Thunder. The fact that you are here crying about any US plane with remotely close performance to German ones already hints at that. Your refusal and arrogant attitude is just complete confirmation.

Basically you refuse to fight airplanes of remotely similar capabilities because you are an incompetent pilot; at least that is the way that I am reading this.

Anyways I’ll see you in 4.0 soon…