Germany is always paired with Italy in props.
The Italian P-47 D-30 is at BR 3.7 while being slightly better than the P-47 D-28.
I’m just talking about the American tree.
If d30 is 4.7 as you said, it’s still a problem. It should be at least 5-5.3 or even 5.7.
Of course you are only talking about the American tech tree because it seems to be the only thing that you have any semblance of awareness of.
The P-47 D-30, the one that is in the Italian tech tree, the one that is a P-47M airframe with a D-28 motor, is at 3.7 BR. It is two BR increments below the American counterpart. The Chinese D-30 is also at 3.7 BR.
Both of these planes are matched with the Axis side and and better than the 3.7BR American counterparts in every possible way.
Germany also has its own 3.7 P-47 that is equal to the US one.
Japan has a premium P-51C that is identical to the American one. That is in addition to the strongest 3.7 BR plane in the entire game; the J2M2.
Your idea that the game is somehow deliberately balanced in America’s favor is just a delusion.
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I’m telling you what I see. Some cunning players are already taking advantage of the situation because they have found these vulnerabilities. Of course, what is 4.3 in America should not be 4 or 3.7 in another country.
wow, I wanted to make a point that the german p-47 at least doesnt have bombs (and maybe that’s why it’s 3.7 instead of higher).
Looked at chinese and italian P-47 and was horrified to see that they get full bomb/rocket loads. What the actual f***. That’s messed up af. Those should definitely be at least 4.3
Have a look on the Chinese Sabres^^
Yep.
OP has never played USA so he doesn’t realize that more often than not the Axis side of the matchmaker has access to the same aircraft that you do.
Something like the P-47s whole niche is being relatively fast. Guess what? The 3.7 US one can’t do that because it fights against significantly better versions.
That’s not mentioning Japan having F4U-1 and P-51C. Or the Chinese tree having P-38L and P-51K.
The F4U-4 is one of the few US planes that isn’t actually duplicated on the Axis side of the matchmaker. Even then I would argue that the Ki-84 is arguably better than the regular F4U-4 in its current state.
Well i just playing ground sim battles with my 6.7 germany and enemy team team have wehicles from 5,7 until 8.0 and worst thing is that those are french wehicles and british at 7,7 while german team have only one 7,3 wehicle and that is weisel how the fuck is this fair i cant even pen them cuz in sim battles balistics feels alot different and brits have stabs plus apds and french have speed and 100 guns while i got tiger 2 with 88mm gun or jagtiger and until i get somewhere im 20 times flanked or some bullshit snipe also there was soo many times that my 128mm on jagtiger bounced on literally no armor in sim battles it is disgustig while im was killed by 85mm gun from T44 thru my machine gun port its really funny. This match making is worse than in realistic battles.
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1 year later…
The issue with American aircraft (although each nation is somewhat guilty) is the flight models are broken. Not necessarily from a numbers perspective but from a hand holding refusal to stall correctly perspective. The 109’s have their own problems I’ve nagged about for years but the P-51’s, F4U’s and some (not all) P-47’s take it to a new level.
You can yank the stick into your guts and at times you have to fight them to make them stall, and when they do it’s the laziest roll over you’ve ever seen. The P-51 should have a fairly vicious wing drop.
The Corsair’s (unless something has changed) simply don’t stall. The last time I flew them you could yank the stick back and it’d stay on rails. The P-47’s are the same barring the P-47N which has the most ridiculous stall I’ve ever seen. If you haven’t flown one in a while go take the N into test flight and have a laugh.
Oh and don’t think I’ve forgotten about you P40! You don’t stall full stop you just corkscrew.
The American line-up needs a massive FM update but so do the 109’s. They have a better pull out game than Ron Jeremy and the fact that they pull out of high speed dives just as well as a P-51 is flat out wrong, it saps the Mustangs of a very serious advantage they had.
I personally believe that the prop br bracket is fine. No side is truly superior. There are imaginary planes( planes that dont have information available to base flight model off of). Even planes like the ki84 have downsides.
You have to also address trends. Manifold pressure drops off in most Axis planes above 15,000 ft. American superchargers get max performance above 20,000 ft without losing manifold pressure. This means that most American aircraft are faster above 20,000 ft than thier axis counter parts. So why does blue side fight below 10,000ft where everything is almost as fast as them or faster and out turns the majority of them?
So lets take a ki84 and place it against the p47m below 10,000ft the ki84 will catch the p47 in a dive and out climb it. It will also out turn the 47. However a simple altitude difference gives the 47 more options.
I think props is balanced but the player base is filled with players that a learning. Players that dont understand that the basics of the game.
Everytime i log on i see p51 pilots stall fight zeros and wonder why they’re losing on the deck.
Everytime i log in people ask how do i start my engine.
Everytime i log in they claim a plane that i killed 6 times is OP.
In general nothing that they typically do contributes to the game and they cry about over performance.
The hard reality of props is that you have to learn counter strategies for your adversaries.
Most axis fligt models out peform the p51. The 51 is also very heavy if you can keep getting your nose up against the 51 in a bf109 youre golden. He runs out of speed and you just circle around him.
My first time flying a 109 i farmed 51 pilots doing just that. The bf109 has exceptional handling have you heard of flaps?
I can AOA stall a Corsair with landing flaps.
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The 109 does have advantages over the Mustang and I’m not saying it doesn’t. The 109 is actually massively overperforming in regards to high speed mobility.
But that doesn’t excuse the fact that American flight models are straight up bad and are somewhat hand holding. Yank the stick back in a 109 or Spitfire and it’ll snap into a stall and spin. Now do the same in a Mustang, P-40, most P-47’s and if nothing has changed the Corsairs. The Mustang will sloooooowly and gradually stall if you practically force it to (other times I’ll just corkscrew around) and the others won’t stall at all. This gives them a massive unhistorical advantage.
The Americans aren’t alone with this however, the 190A’s have a hilariously bad flight model that holds your hand to the point where it’ll pretty much refuse to stall.
This reminds - some of these downsides are very different based on what equipment you play with. Namely - head tracker/VR.
I’ve decided to try the Ki-84 because I hate fighting it… and I hated it. The canopy frames perfectly blind me to where my opponent is and what they’re doing with the way my camera controls (IJKL on keyboard + thumb buttons for left/right head movement). I’ve better luck using the F4U-4 as a turnfighter (that is: scissoring bf109s) than the UFO aircraft because I actually have an idea of what’s going on around me thanks to the bubble canopy.
I imagine this downside disappears if you can actually bend/lean around to look past those canopy frames with a head-tracker and VR headset without weird keypress combinations that are not very intuitive (lean left/right being fixed to the plane rather than your head).
Which then made me wonder if some aircraft have a lower BR/“Efficiency” than they should due to this “issue” making them far more powerful than you might expect with proper camera control for awareness, which then makes me wonder if the disparity of control and camera schemes contributes to why some aircraft have seemingly lower battle ratings than you feel they deserve. We’d need stats of what hardware is used by sim players to confirm this hypothesis though.
Honestly the ki84 cockpit aint that bad.
What are you talking about? Do you need a proof of concept video? AOA stalls are easy to induce in any prop except a zero or p40. The p51 and corsair have horrible post stall characteristics. When they do AOA stall it is a violent recovery compared to a 109. The 109 has more AOA available at lower speeds with flaps it is very good. You kind of have to try to AOA stall a 109. Have you tried coordinating your rudder so you’re not slipping.
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