Excuse me, I checked your games and explicitly asked you to provide your sampled data to compare with mine. You did not. You ramble on about Gaijin this, Gaijin that.
Then you claim BR data is not provided, or not accurate. I play the same game, I see it daily. It is provided in arcade. I haven’t found any fault in it.
I rather trust my own observations than what some person claims on the net. Especially as we had the option to allign our data. But no, the next conspiracy arises:
LOL.
Here’s what you can do. You can ask those who have all the facts to present these (Gaijin) - and refute our figures. They don’t… and both you and I KNOW why they don’t do this. What is it that we must not see ?.. that we are right ? You have checked only a few of my battles … I have numbers from the last two years ? … but you choose to believe in a fragment of a huge list of numbers… and then you claims that all my numbers are conspiracy ?..YOU have NO numbers or statistics … loool … Just like FlyingDoctor … :-) …same rhetoric… “making doubts” instead of asking those who have all the facts hidden behind the game … GAIJIN ! Are YOU not interested in the facts ? … Why are YOU not supporting those players who - at least have some numbers ?.. Are you working for Gaijin ? Are you just a Troll ?
They are reptiles?
I have > 33.000 battles in my book and have collected numbers from 6.784 battles. Maybe you don’t care… but I do - and I will continue with my friends collecting battle data. For me this is waste of battle time …but I do it, because I see unfair battles - made by Gaijin … not the players.
I think reptiles are more trustworthy than Gaijin is.
What I am proposing is quite simple. Make the matches based on the player’s line-up as now… . BUT with that vehicle with the highest BR level e.g. BR 7.0 will determine that the battle will start with vehicles on a maximum of BR 7.0… and/or with a mix of lower level BR vehicle levels.
If some players want to fight with a lower BR level… they can just make a line-up with e.g. one BR 7.0 and that decides at which BR level they want to fight… and not Gaijin. If the player want to fight against higher BR levels… then can just make a mixed level of Line-up BR vehicles.
Line-up Example:
1 x vehicle on BR 7.0, 1 x BR 6.7 and 1 x BR 6.3 = Max battle BR level 7.0…and with 0.3 +/-
This avoids downtired enemies and the mentioned “Gaijin match fixing”. The only change is simply, that Gaijin do not add downtired vehicles into the battles. This will give a maximum of 8-10% longer queue which is a fair queue-time waiting for a fair fight.
Yes, this is something that happens to me with upsetting regularity. Funny, but I notice there are “periods” of up-tiering. Sometimes, the MM is sane and most of the time I am placed in the battle with opponents of more-or-less same tier. Sometimes it goes crazy. And then Tiger E may be thrown into a battle full of Pz.4f - or full of Ferdinands and T34s.
So I developed a simpler solution for myself.
When I notice that WG starts to consistently uptier me, I am pressing “Alt+F4” and switch to World of Warships. In WoWs, when you are uptiered, you at least have a chance to penetrate opponent’s armor - so the game is definitely more fun and engaging than War Thunder. The maps are also larger. So, unlike WT with its ever-shrinking maps where you are mostly limited to a head-on collision, in WoWs you have more variety in gameplay.
An indirect benefit is that I definitely waste less time playing video games.
The bottom line: if Gajin is happy with their revenue and user base, and doesn’t care to increase it [from a laughable $26 mln] - I’m happy for them.
I don’t want to be downtired either - I just want the battles to be more fair - with no one being favoured !
I have no idea how you got to this number…as it is hardly possible. Some BRs would take a MUCH LONGER time to get the “required” 32 players…
As it is now a 4.0 game (as an example) can be created mixing 3.0, 3.3, 3.7 and 4.0 lineups (with limits)…your suggestion would require ALL lineups to be 4.0…
Ehhh … NO, it requires a max of one vehicle on 4.0. and IF YOU or the opponents have 3 x 4.0 - they could be placed in a BR 4.3 battle. IF YOU have 1 x BR 4.0 NON SPADED (maybe <50%) then you could be placed in a BR 3.7 BR battle (example). A NON SPADED vehicle (<50%) should count 0.3 until >50% spaded. The same calculation could be used for the crew skills etc.
Maybe Gaijin could introduce deviated BR levels like 3.2, 3,4, 3,6, 3,8 and 4.0 for a better mix of non-spaded vehicles combined with non-skilled crews and eventually a combination of players experience in categories (ships, planes and tanks).
Now you lost me…perhaps i skipped something above…i am talking about TANK matchmaking…it is the BR of the highest vehicle. So a player with 3x4.0BR vehicles is matched in 4.0 matches.
And spading is not a factor. Bear in mind that if you start using spading, crews or other benchmarks for matchmaking you are creating room for “sandbagging” (keeping stats low to get better matchmaking)…which is not always good for players and surely not good for the game sales :)
You want an even more complex system??? In tanks the game “suggests” you keep all vehicles at similar BRs…
Its realy a joke whats going on in this game…
GJ destroyed the game which ive loved for a long time, but you realy cant play it with joy anymore!
Of course Gaijin can introduce the spading + crew-skills + player experience together with the BR … We are in 2024 and by using additional factors is only a question about willingness and being creative in programming. By changing the BR range into 0.0, 0.2, 0,4 etc. they can streamline the match making much more - and make the system much more flexible (fairness) … and by the end of the day… maybe some of the players who left the game because of the terrible match-fixing will be back. At least… I will give it a try recruiting some of them back… but ONLY if the match-making system will be changes. I previously recruited one of my friends … but as he was a noob had to fight against BR+1 enemies as a new players in WT … we left again … and are now playing WOT … and have done it for years. My point is, to improve the game for the better … and not for me only.
I can right away see how this could be “abused” by future players to make life for starters even more miserable than it is described by you now.
Interesting discussion, that I missed before.
In context of stock vehicle uptiering a whole lineup, few years back I was trying to suggest a system that would set the BR based on unlocked/active module tiers like this:
But such system would be tricky because not every vehicle will scale that much based on the modules, for some vehicles it won’t matter that much they won’t have movement upgrades and additional ammunition type if they have strong stock round and are sniping vehicles. And this could be abused as well as @Dodo_Dud fairly noted.
Interesting approach would be to have a similar approach to setting your lineup BR bracket as it is in air AB that a single plane that is 0.7 BR higher than the rest of the lineup will only increase it by 0.3. Maybe bringing this to tanks would make spading a new vehicle that is higher BR easier?
In context of being matched up against players that are +1.0 or -1.0 BR, it’s kind of hard to not do thing like this and have a fixed BR for matchmaking because in a single region at a specific time there may not be that many players playing exactly the same BR and filling the slots with bots is not ideal.
You are all wrong. I’m actually giving the non-spaded vehicles more advantages and as you are taking one line out of context - then you are reading my posting, just like the devil reading the bible. My point is a system where a non-spaded vehicle dosen’t count as a 100% BR level.
And it never occured to you that this will have many consequences? You’ll make the breathing space for beginners smaller by 0.3 BR. Because rank 3 will start 0.3 BR lower now for all nations.
I don’t think that you understand my point … and secondly you are assuming that everybody thinks like you. If you are satisfied with the existing match fixing system - then just stick to that and be happy. I’m trying to come with some ideas … and maybe they are not 100% perfect suggestions - but at least I’m trying… while you are just trying to shoot them down. Get into the battle and help making a better match-making system - instead of being all negative.
While I’m on BR 9.3 … 11 of the enemies had a higher BR level and mostly 10.3 Leopards and Abrams who wiped us out in a few minutes. Is that fun ? … why should I join up for being an easy target for some by Gaijin favoured players ? I’m WASTING MY TIME on this and it’s time for Gaijin to change this unfair and unequal battles.
I used to enjoy playing … but this match-fixing is simply a waste of my time and money spend on this game … damn, I regret every dime and second spend on this.
I don’t even think about which BR I’m playing in any more. I play a lot of light tanks and armour doesn’t matter anyway.
Even with other tanks, I always behave as if I were on the move with virtually no armour.
At ranks 1-5, BR doesn’t play a role for me in combat.
I see what I can contribute and make the best of it. And there are battles where I’m right at the top and wonder … ey just fought again with my 5.7 lineup against Tiger II & Co. No matter …
There are also battles in which I just go down the drain with my 6.7 lineup because I’m being stupid.
If I think at the start of the battle that it won’t work anyway because “please insert reason” then it won’t work.
Then there’s the fact that there are tanks that also work great in higher BRs and will lose more SL. My SL farming premium lineup consists of 3.7 + 4.3 tanks. The 3.7s perform wonderfully in 5.3 battles. It works the same with aeroplanes. I take what performs well, not necessarily what fits into the BR.
People look stupid when you go into battles with a Bf109 F4 (BR 4.0) up to BR 6.3.
And if there are vehicles that I haven’t yet understood how to play on their BR, then I wait and gain more experience. In the beginning I didn’t get along with tanks that rely on HE. Well, and now … works great.
On the other hand, I still lack the skill for levels 8.0+, so I can’t say much about what’s going on there. I have to keep learning, learning, learning.
But from what I read here in the forum, it’s probably best to stay away from it.
Of course the BR level matters. If you have to fight with 75 or 88 mm. against 105 mm. cannons which on distance can wipe you out in seconds. You join op for a BR 7.0 battle with your BR 7.0 line-up and have to fight against 8.0.
IF you can imagine that you started in a Formula-3 race car tournament …and the opponents showed up in Formula-1 race cars… then you probably would think… hey that’s unfair … or maybe not … Maybe you don’t care … but I do. I want fair battles on fairly equal terms. I dont’ want to be favoured in any ways… but I also don’t want to be treated like an idiot because of downtired enemies having a great time making a lot of easy kills … while making high scores on my expenses.
If you are OK by being screwed - then it’s OK with me.
