The T-84 is still an improved T-80UD…The mobility of the T-80BVM is better due to the lower weight of the tank and a more powerful engine (1250 hp)…Also, the T-80BVM has a better 2A46M-4 cannon…On the T-84, the unlicensed version 2A46M-1, which cannot use long projectiles…
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No matter the backlash I will get for this. DO NOT MAKE ANOTHER COPY PASTE TECH TREE BRUH, 90% of this is just CtrlC+CtrlV.
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@Yontzee can you count how many vehicles in the tech tree are “copy paste” and then tell me how many are unique. Then I’ll decide wether it’s “copy paste tree” or not. Because this whole “copy paste” argument is (I feel) not working. Because it doesn’t
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The BVM is from the base T-80 models, too.
What is the difference between Ukrainian modernisations of T-Series tanks and Russian ones which makes Ukrainian ones “just T-80s”, for example, but Russian ones “something else”?
Ukrainian tanks, the better ones, same as the BVM being one of the better Russian Federation tanks, would have the same practical mobility as the BVM. Why you brought this up, I dont know.
Ukraine currently only has BM42
Any designs for BM44, or so, I think would have taken into account the gun system available. If an upgraded cannon was unfeasible in the first place, which I would doubt
Not to say that GL-ATGMs cannot partially make up for the lack of modern APFSDS, atleast
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I cannot argue with anecdotal evidence, so fair point I suppose
Great, and so it will be the same with Nozh and Duplet. Particularly Duplet being stacked ERA.
And so a T-84 would be as capable, if not more capable, than current vehicles in game through noticeable advantages. By the same token, not copy paste.
Im not sure what you mean by this. Everyone gets vehicles, in service or not. 2S38 time!
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You are confused about tanks…
T-84 project Kern(478DU1)The 1995 model did not have an improved gearbox, the maximum speed was 63 km/h…She was set up. on 478DU4 in 1997…then there were-478DU5/7/8…
Object 478DU9 appeared in 1999, many changes were installed on it, including a DZ Knife, sometimes it is called T-84U, but this is the unofficial name of the KhKBM it was never used …
Object 478DU9-adopted in 2000 under the official name BM OPLOT …
Therefore 478DU1/2/4/5/7/8- This is a T-84…
478DU9 is a BM Oplot…
the Russian T-80 has never had Welded-Rolled turrets…
And in Ukraine there is no serial cannon and automatic loader for long shells…
In Ukraine there is a T-80BV sample of 2019, this is the Ukrainian version of the modernization of the T-80BV…
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Please refrain from posting in topics that you have not fully read.
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friends. Does anyone know any interesting aircraft in service with the Ukrainian Air Force? With interesting weapons or something like that?
But in the tree we only have T-84U, T-84 Oplot M, T-84 Oplot T?
DU9, DU9-1, DU9-T.
Understandable, then the vehicles will have to work with GL-ATGMs and BM42 at the worst. An acceptable tradeoff.
Good to know, thank you
You have forgotten your original text.!Personally, I do not understand which tank you mean and why you call the T-84 an improved T-80BVM…These are different tanks with different transmission, hull,turret, cannon,shells,engine!..Maybe you mean BM Oplot of the 1999 model or BM Oplot-M…
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There is the MiG-29MU1 and MiG-29MU2, Su-27S1M, and the Su-25M1. I point out these aircraft because they’re modifications of Ukrainian MiG-29’s that have more access to ground weapons and the Gran A2A missile, a locally developed missile. Not to mention, some of these aircraft have been modified to utilize western bombs/munitions like HARM and some guided bombs.
Also, to everyone: Let’s keep some peace people.
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Yeah, I’ll get back to you shortly on this. I’m out and running around.
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I didnt mean that the T-84 is based off the BVM or anything of the sort, I mean that the T-84 is better than the T-80BVM. The T-84 isn’t an improved T-80BVM, it improves on the BVM while being it’s own design
It improves on the standards set by the BVM in different performance metrics
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Then your a fool if you think these are just copy paste when in reality they aren’t even close get lost with that false logic. If you want a good example of real copy paste then look at 50% of the china tech tree.
Just because Ukraine inherited the Soviet design Philosophy AND IMPROVED OPON IT. Doesn’t mean it’s copy paste Russia doesn’t own that design style it was developed across the entire USSR not just Russia.
Not to mention you are completely ignoring the indigenous Ukrainian designs in the proposed tech tree that have nothing to do with Russia at all. And most Ukrainian vehicles are so heavily modified they are nothing like the original vehicles. He’ll look at Ukrainian BTR’s for example they are only BTR’s in name. But are completely different vehicles in turret position and internal layout and components.
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If i remember correctly, KBA-2 can use longer projectiles
In this suggestion we got this types of Object 478 tanks:
DU4
DU9
DU9-1/DU10
BEM-1(DU9 with Drozd APS)
478N (Yataghan)
DU9-T
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Also, long time no see, everyone!
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Greetings
Steakinbacon said it best. Ignoring eastern European design philosophy and entire indigenous designs purely because you suffer from T-xx blindness and disregarding it as “different variant crap” is duplicitous and contributes nothing of worth to the discussion.
Again, there is no need to comment on topics you’re unwilling or uninterested in enough to educate yourself on.
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