I didnt mean that the T-84 is based off the BVM or anything of the sort, I mean that the T-84 is better than the T-80BVM. The T-84 isn’t an improved T-80BVM, it improves on the BVM while being it’s own design
It improves on the standards set by the BVM in different performance metrics
Then your a fool if you think these are just copy paste when in reality they aren’t even close get lost with that false logic. If you want a good example of real copy paste then look at 50% of the china tech tree.
Just because Ukraine inherited the Soviet design Philosophy AND IMPROVED OPON IT. Doesn’t mean it’s copy paste Russia doesn’t own that design style it was developed across the entire USSR not just Russia.
Not to mention you are completely ignoring the indigenous Ukrainian designs in the proposed tech tree that have nothing to do with Russia at all. And most Ukrainian vehicles are so heavily modified they are nothing like the original vehicles. He’ll look at Ukrainian BTR’s for example they are only BTR’s in name. But are completely different vehicles in turret position and internal layout and components.
If i remember correctly, KBA-2 can use longer projectiles
In this suggestion we got this types of Object 478 tanks:
DU4
DU9
DU9-1/DU10
BEM-1(DU9 with Drozd APS)
478N (Yataghan)
DU9-T
Also, long time no see, everyone!
Greetings
Steakinbacon said it best. Ignoring eastern European design philosophy and entire indigenous designs purely because you suffer from T-xx blindness and disregarding it as “different variant crap” is duplicitous and contributes nothing of worth to the discussion.
Again, there is no need to comment on topics you’re unwilling or uninterested in enough to educate yourself on.
Did I miss the DU4? Thankfully the others I missed have little bearing as they would feature the upgraded transmission as ZVO mentioned. But thank you.
Yep, it is in the right part of the suggestion
Also i think all T-84’s starting specifically from DU4 had upgraded gearboxes
On another note, the Inguar 3 light vehicles could be added to the tree.
Fielded, but still under developement, the platform offers an array of weapons systems.
I would not be surprised to see combat proven modules such as “Spice”, “Grom”, “Shkval”, “Bau-23-2” and others in due time.
Although the weapons may be severely limited in weight and size to mount on such a chassis.
A Ukrainian developed “VDV Typhoon”
Although the attached photos are just mockups, as far as I can tell.
All known is that this MRAP? is currently on state testing, and without any turret or combat module
On the other hand we have this abomination:
Ive seen that its already seen limited combat experience, they mustve been wrong : (
At the very least, you can slap an ATGM Combat module on the Inguar.
Or get it open top and slap a Stugna there. But I dont particularly like that, and I dont think anyone else does either. Its why we havent seen the open-top Humvees with TOWs suggested here despite their use
I’ve seen only testing stage , so no idea what is true
Or there can be slapped Amulet module with the same Stugna ATGM
BM44U is simply like BM42 for USSR/Russia, as Ukraine lacked even 3BM42 and didnt have the means to produce it.
BM44U1 would be better BM44U, however IIRC it never went far from mockup.
T-80BVM is made from T-80BV featuring better frontal hull armour package (T-84 literally cuts most of UFP’s frontal package in order to fit ERA, making areas without ERA or detonated ERA have lower protection than even T-80BV.
Without ERA UFP’s protection would probably most likely be prone to even HSTV-L.
T-80BVM has superior stabiliser, actually has systems needed to fire longer projectiles, better hp/t ratio, worse reverse speed.
T-84 would probably have better with ERA protection, better turret, better reverse.
So its a trade off of having better rounds, better forward mobility for a better reverse, slightly worse vertical targetting speed (when Gaijin finally fixes the BVM’s).
Armour wise probably wont be important for a simple fact both have standart T series weakspots everyone knows.
T-84-120 would be superior due to better ammunition, if such ammunition would be given out.
I need to explain something to you …
6.After the tender in Greece in 1998, where it took last place-after making numerous changes, the T-84 (478DU9) variant appeared…photo below…
KBM-2 is 120 mm…There’s another automatic loader…
This variant probably has to be one of the most unique out of T-series we got in game.
Isn’t this DU1 or 2 variant?
I meant KBA-3, which is 125mm gun, just used wrong digit
