Yeah i just took out the CR3 TD for a spin, first time using it, got a crit on a Flakradkampf with the DM33.
shot a T90M blew its track off, he then shot through a train carrage and through the front of my turret and ammo racked me.
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CV90120 can get into a far better position far faster.
Is quieter.
faster reload.
better round
better profile
LWS
The CV90120 can one tap a CR2 frontally though the turret if they aim it right.
meanwhile the CR2 can barely take a dart to the UFP never mind the LFP without imploding.
its armour is ridiculously useless in game.
that why I said we shouldn’t compare light tanks to MBTs even that CV90120 can do more than Challenger 2 apart from take a hit lol
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I don’t know why Alvis even took CV 90120 as an example as Centauro 120 is infinitely worse than that thing lol.
which for its intended roll works better than the CR2 does for its intended roll
but lets compare for fun at this point
mobility ?
Centauro is better.
round?
Centauro is better
Sustained fire rate?
Centauro is better
Profile?
Centauro is better
Scouting?
centauro
optics?
centauro is better 8.0x - 12.0x compared to the CR2 2.0x - 10.0x
armour? just for a giggle.
Cr2 wins but look at how garbage it is against DM23
“Light” tank barely beating CR2s in that department just shows how shit it is.
Having 8x as base is actually worse.
In my opinion CR2s are better MBTs than Centauros are as lights.
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the Cr2s mobility is absolutely horrific mate, if you so much as turn it sharts away its speed completely, the centauro is far, far more mobile than the CR2.
Maybe garbage compared to other lights. Currently dont have the centauro 120 but i do have the VRCC and that thing is wicked good mobility wise
I think that does depend player to player, i prefer a more 6.0x to 12.0 than a 2 to 10 ratio. the VRCC for example. while it doesnt feel like it zooms as far, its already coming in at 8.0x which is nearly a challanger 2s max optical range. compared to the 12.0x on the VRCC, but yeah i like a nice balance, not too far one way or the other.
over all it is magnification wise, better optics.
as of right now in game, theyre nearly un usuable as MBTs competively.
but for the sake of the post and being on topic, we should compare the centuaro to say, the desert warrior, which ive not even bothered to get right now as it just doesnt seem worth i t
Garbage when compared to everything else.
Centauro 120 has 20.7 HP/t which is easily beaten by even 10.7 MBTs. It’s a wheeled vehicle so it’s shit at everything that isn’t concrete and has a turn radius of a bus.
Lower starting magnification lets you scan more terrain quicker, especially if you have good thermals.
You misspelled Ariete I think haha.
Desert Warrior has an autocannon, so comparing those isn’t really that possible.
As for their line, don’t even bother.
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Bringing up the cv90120 while Sweden has the strv122 feels like a weird choice to me and the only mbt i can think of worse than the chally is the merkava at 12.0
The VRCC is similar to that , and it is far, far more mobile than any CR2 will ever be, even on the bad grounds, take the RGO to a test drive for example, youll hit 70kmph before u get to the T55.
the CR2 cant even get to 60kmph.
Its steering means you cannot turn without losing a large amount of the speed too.
And its turn radius (centuaro i mean) isnt that bad. But no its not a tank with neutral steering (amx10C can tho!)
agreed hence why i said i prefer a 6 x to 12 or 10.
2.0x for me is just too far back and is too open an area.
but yeah with good thermals the 2E or 2BN is decent.
Id still take the 12x zoom but over the 10
ariete has a better round.
better sustained fire rate.
better mobility by miles
better profile.
far worse armour.
Thats all its missing to be fair.
The CR2s armour as well is pretty pathetic ingame as well all things considered.
it is undeniably now the worst top tier MBT after merkava and ariete got the reload buffs.
yeah i got the basic warrior n called it a day, think ive got the striker unlocked but dont use it.
and yeah was just thinking cause its lights, but the auto cannon and ATGM combo is a different style of tank completely ,IFV oppose to light tank destroyer
id say yes, but the merkava is more mobile, better round, and a better sustained fire rate.
Both are horrifying right enough.
I dont beleive it ever had them in-game. So nothing to loose. It moved down (or rather stayed at 11.7) because unlike other low armour DM53 slingers like the Ariete, it did not get a 5 second reload rate and remains with the same fire rate as the Leopard 2A7.
The main nerf it has recieved since its addition was going from the planned 1500 HP to the actual 1200 HP engine. This loss in moblity killed one of the 2 main advantages/reasons to use the CR3TD over the BN.
The CR3TD should have gained 5 second reload DM53 and moved to 11.7 (or better yet, stayed at 11.7 along with others like the Ariete to begin a bit of a decompress) Currently, the extra pen from the DM53 is simply not worth the loss in fire rate and so most dont bother with the ultimately much weaker tank at the moment
The CR3 should have either been added as a later variant (or upgraded to later varaint that includes better armour and features like spall liners and blow-out panels) or maybe even teh full production variant. The Half-baked CR3TD was not what our tree needed, instead either major TLC for the CR2 was and still is required, or the addition of a proper top tier IFV (which at the time, was only the Warrior Milan as the other IFVs had yet to be added, but even still the DW is still behind the pack when it comes to high tier IFVs). Same can be said for SPAA.
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Generally I think the Merkavas have comprobable survivablity to the CR2s, but have better moblity, sustained fire rate (larger ready rack) and a better shell I think (but could be wrong, i cant recall off the top my head what shells the Merkavas have) .
Only tanks I consider worse protection are Italy’s and Japan’s though they have their own unique advantages over the CR2 as well.
CR3TD I consider one of, if not maybe the worst tank at top tier these days,
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kinda sleeping on the type 10 here i think Japan’s mbt is def better than the chally, it may be worse at taking shots but is better in pretty much every other way that matters. (missread the post lol we are saying the same thing)
Yep, purely looking at survivability (i.e tanking a round) CR2 is better. Type 10 is better in every other respect by quite a bit and generally middle of the pack with wise of MBTs.
I’d list best to worse MBTs as
Germany + Sweden (+ Hungary)
USSR
US + France + Japan
Britain + Israel + China
Italy
id actually put italy next to germany as even if their 2a7 isnt a domestic tank they still get to use it as their mbt in game. id also move china 1 tier up as the ztz99 is pretty decent now with the remodel
Which is why I put Hungary there. Because Italy with Hungary is very good, but Italy purely on their own is rather poor.
I did not know about the remodel for the ZTZ99 and just know they complain a lot about its issues.
Hungarys isnt realy a nation in game to be fair mite as well just put italy there and ZTZ99 is still a worse T90m but still better than a chally or Merkava for sure
CR3 had blow-out panels in-game for a few weeks to a couple months. The bug report took a bit to be actioned on.
True but its fair the say the main reason it got a br reduction was the speed nerf and not that