UK Is In A World Of Trouble For Ground RB Top Tier

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Hey, So as the title states the UK ground is in such a bad state compaired to other nations. Hopefully the discussions can stay in line with the UK and not devolve in US / RU / GER chat like most other threads do.

MBT’s
The challengers feel so lack luster, the armour feels so underperforming on all of them with massive gaps around the gun ( which I don’t believe should be there) Armour packages do nothing to increase survivability.

2F armour package it has 30mm KE protection and 400mm CE protection. The KE protection for NERA seems way to low for a package thats 150mm in dimention.

TES armour package is currently listed as ERA when its not ERA and has 30mm KE protection and 500mm CE protection which is definatly too low concidering its 310mm thick but has the same KE protection as the 2F package with half the thickness. ( Logic isn’t logic’ing here )

I know there is many issues surrounding the transmission and engine underperforming which I think Gaijin has had ample time to fix but at this point is seems they are just not considering working on them at all.

I’m not going to mention the Challenger 3 TD as its obsurd that was even put into the game along with the Black Night. I don’t believe tech demonstration tanks should exsist in the game

Updated info
Challenger’s having 4 round ready rack. In addition to only having 4 rounds, we also have one of the longest if not the longest ready rack replenishments, at 20 seconds per round. - @Morvran Thanks for pointing this out

Light Tanks
Our current best is at 10.0 BR, for a light tank is underpowered and very slow compaired to anything around it including MBT’s leaving you with very little chance to move into forward spotting positions to spot, it could do with just having some kind of acceleration buff to get it to speed.

SPAA
I think the UK is in the same boat as all other nations except RU. We lack anything with long range and our options kinda suck HVM not performing very well unless attacking Heli’s and ADAT’s is just bad all around tbh.

CAS
So this is where the UK could have had something strong but were denied. Eurofighter Typhoon and Tornado GR4 could have been a saving grace for our CAS option’s but in my opinion Gaijin has ruined them due to breaking Brimstone’s and not even allowing FnF mode. As it stands Brimstones are just slower hellfire’s, I’d be more then happy to be limited to 6 of them with FnF IR tracking. PGM’s are not very good and easy intercepted by other SPAA’s

Typhoon’s Radar also is a placeholder and doesn’t work properly with HMS switching to IR for some odd reason and TWS been so slow you loose targetting so fast, so using it to counter other nations CAS options also doesn’t feel like a viable option either.

Our only real FnF option isn’t a UK vehicle but rather a SA owned SWE and the reason I say this is lets be honest Harrier GR.7 is getting shot down the moment its spotted as its to sluggish to avoid SPAA missiles.

Given the UK’s very limited option of future installments I personally think Gaijin need to take a look at the UK vehicle’s and make some improvements for balancing reason’s even if the “source material” is missing due to unrealisticly getting more information on vehicle’s.

I’d like to see what issues others have with UK ground and also suggestions that could potentionally fix UK ground going forward.

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@Skyzonix
First off… imagine opposing Black Night and Challenger 3TD.
As for the bulk of the topic. While Challenger 2’s competitive nature isn’t meta, they are still strong vehicles, just not as strong as the meta vehicles from USA and Germany/Sweden.

UK has OP unkillable CAS like everyone else. Tornado GR4 with PGM /3s, which isn’t South African contrary to your claim.

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Brimstones could be upgraded to Brimstone 2s that give them more speed, SAL should remain as is.

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They have to many outstanding issues and open bug reports to reasonably count. They could be a LOT stronger than they are currently. The first and most immediate issue their 4 round ready racks. Should be 20-28. That would put us on par in terms of sustained fire rate to most other nations.

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Yes I oppose them as I think there addition was stupid.
Challenger 2’s aren’t competative due to listed reasons ( Armour issue’s engine issue’s )

Unkillable CAS =D
You get funnier and funnier with every discussion you join.
I honestly think you have reading issues, as I stated our only real FnF option is SA

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I almost forget about the 4 round ready rack, I appreciate the reminder and will add that now, Thanks

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Challenger 2s have WAY too many issues at the moment to ever balance them correctly but if what they are now is to remian then they need a fire rate buff or a BR drop.

Britain does have options for IFVs and Light Tanks, like the Ajax, but just gotta wait for gaijin to take their sweet time on that front

Yeah, hopefully Britian will be one of the nations that get a new SPAA this year. Sky Sabre would be cool.

Yeah, Britain has a lot of potential but a lot of issues.

Harrier Gr7 can get a load of buffs and we still dont have a Harrier Gr9A

Tornado Gr4 could get some buffs like Brimstone 2s

Typhoon 100% needs Brimstone 2s as they never used Brimstone 1s. An actually usable radar including GMTI/T would be awesome.

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SAL isn’t a fair option to be kept given other nations having proper FnF, I think it would only be fair that Brimstones be allowed the FnF option but obviously not to the extent of its real functions.

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Dont even go there. Motorola beleives that the Su-34 is a weak aircraft and should be only the aircraft at top tier with FnF missiles.

The issue with FnF Brimstones is that we can carry 18 of them. So would need some form of mitigation. But Brimstone 2s and full GMTI/T radar mode would give us a good combo. Brimstone 1s are just woefully underpowered

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PGM /3s are slightly better than AGM-65Gs due to warheads being bombs.
They’re both 20km class munitions which out-range all SPAA in the game.

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I semi agree, I think fixing some armour issues around the gun and there NERA packages would boost survivability without the need to drop BR’s otherwise the UK wont have any top Tier’s.

I’m fearful for how they will mess this one up as I know its ran into some issues IRL that there have been working on.

I’ve not looked into that, I shall have a gander at it soon.

I do believe correct me if I’m wrong here but doesn’t the GER Typhoon not carry Brimestones either???
I’m possitive I read that they have only recent placed and order for Brimestones. I think the order was in 2023 / 2024??

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The major issue with PGMs is that they are really slow and you carry a limited number, meaning they rarely make it to target before getting shot down by a Pantsir (record was 9 fired at the same Pantsir, none hit). Combine with the fact that the Tornado Gr4 has to compete against F-15Es, Su-34s, Typhoons and Rafales to deploy those weapons.

These days, Tornado Gr4 is fairly DOA unless your team has air superiority, which does limit you to the Typhoon, which isnt bad, but where you have Su-34s getting 6 kills almost immediately upon spawning in the effeceincy of the Typhoon is much lower.

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Why fire at Pantsirs when they can’t frag ground targets? Fire at tanks, not the SPAA. It also causes parallax with the Pantsirs that make them miss.

Su-34s missiles go after tanks, not SPAA, which is why they get frags. Do the same.

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Oh yeah, definetly. I do think top tier needs a decompress, and the differenve in BR between things like the 2A7 and the CR2BN should be larger than it is now. The amount of issues plagueing the CR2s and CR3 are just too long to ever balance fairly at the moment

In-game, they do, so does Italy. They all have the same loadout. IRL, Only Britain should have Paveway IVs and Brimstones though Germany has recently Purcahsed Brimstone 3s. But All Typhoons are theoretically compatible, which is why they all got them. Gaijin like to flip-flop on whether the nation has to purchase the weapon in order to get it.

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Because if you dont kill the Pantsir, the Pantsir will kill you.

They go for SPAA all the time, but only SPAA that can intercept them happens to always be on the same team.

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lol No it won’t. You’re out of range and targeting tanks.

ADATS and ITO-90 aren’t on their team every match.

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Even if it doesn’t, it can still pose a threat to you or your team.

Plus, it’s better to fly without any SPAA fire because it allows you to focus more on other targets and any potential enemy planes.

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ADATS cannot intercept anything, either missiles or bombs, it also cannot kill an Su-34 as it can attack from 2-3 times the ADATS max range. I’ve also never had an issue with an ITO interecepting 3-4 PGMs fired at various targets on the map. Pantsirs do it all the time

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Yes it is fair as vehicles should have their pros and cons.

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That’s because it is weak and slinging IRs is the only thing it’s good at.