Pretty sure 2nd stage is 7.1 with full commander leadership + reload + expert
I don’t blame them for getting it wrong, imo there’s a huge difference between Gen I and II, and not much between II and III
3TD gets it
I’d say it’s more like bringing a van to an F1 race.
Why are you spending so much time talking about and defending how bad the Ariete is on a UK thread??
You have been given plenty of reason why the Ariete outclasses the CR2’s and reminded of the Leo’s in the ITA tech tree now.
CR2’s is all the UK has and there moddled wrong, incorrect armour layouts ( moddled on the CR1 I think ) Then there is addon packages that offer no real protection but add so much weight i mean hell the 2F package offers the same KE protection that the TES package does even though the latter is twice as thick.
No, It’s 7s with expert crew
Having 5 quick shot is enough for me to deal with most fights and refill it when ennemies respawn
Gen 2 and 3 is almost the same, the difference is so minimal I thought it was 3
The penetration is enough for all ennemy tanks, the ennemy weakspots are easily penetrable and leads to oneshots most of the time + you have better reload against most tanks so you can fire a second round quicker , if you struggle with the pen the problem does not come from the round.
CR3 TD have LWS
The turret front is well protected against any apfsds in the game
The chassis is not well protected as any MBT in the game, exception is 2A7 and strv122
Leo has nothing to do with Arietes but I agree with you about bringing Arietes into CR2 thread to be off topic.
I appreciate the acknowledgement. I want more focus on the UK’s issue as something needs fixing and has needed it for years now
Then why not make that the default for all nations. The key point here, The Challenger 2 and only the Challenger 2 has a 4 round ready rack, the average is more like 15. There is a year old report for it to be 20+. ( Report 1 and Report 2 )
In addition to only having 4 rounds, we also have one of the longest if not the longest ready rack replenishments, at 20 seconds per round.
I assume its a hold-over/balancing measure back when we had one of the fastest reloads. Now 5 seconds is the average, it only serves to nerf us. What was our core strength has now become our core weakness
I’ll put this in the main post as I think this is a very very valid issue along with the 4 round ready rack. Thanks
Yeah, its one thing if we just had to sit for 20-30 seconds to replenish those 4 rounds, its another when you have to wait 80 seconds. Very annoying
I’ve never really thought about the replenish rate as I just assign myself to dealing with the 7+s reload or much longer after a crew member dies. Or depending on map rotation I’m lucky to fire off 1 shot before half my crews dead and gun knocked out =(
Yeah, I think most do the same given the replenishment rate. Most probably dont even pay attention to their first stage ammo. But i’ve been screwed over too many times in the CR1 or CR2 where I was expecting a 5 second reload and not realised i’ve run out of first stage ammo
Yeah, it’s better than a challenger. It’s not the meta.
M829a2 can reliably do the same bar the t90M and 80BVM, when i use dm53 on rbe 2a5 the only stuff i worry about is the 2a7H, and strv 122s, everything else you dont have to be hitting weak points anywhere near like with l27a1, dct10, jm33, dm43, 3bm46, bm60, etc etc
The l27a1 round is nearly 100 flat pen behind DM53, and angled the l27a1 has 326, 3bm53 (L/55) has 51 more penetratation at angle. With 377 is it? That is a substantial differenc and to say it isnt is ridiculous.
No one is questioning L26 at 10.7 on the CR1s, infact its either in this thread or the cr2 thread morvran made i actually bring it up as massive bonus for the cr1 as its near dm33 levels of pen.
But what has that got to do with the cr2s l27a1 ?
Btw 3bm42 isnt far off the L26, round with 242 angled pen, and the chinese 10.3 round is 269,. Theyre all really good reliable rounds.
(Shame the m1 only has the m778, is that the rounds name?)
The issue is you cannot get to good sniping positions.
You will get breached even at 2000 meters with relative ease.
Like i said, the ariete isnt good by any metric, but it at least has , firepower and mobility whilst losing armour.
The cr2 has garbage firepower, garbage mobity (even thr 2E is still a near 70 ton tank its sluggish af) whilst getting shafted in the armour department.
Yeah like that american artillery the m109, make two models and give everybody one xD
Genuinely seen the 15 ready rack and didmt realise it had 4 on the ground, that is pretty daft.
Like tge merkavas with 2 rounds perfectly behind the center shot randomly
No its 7.4 ive got expert crews in all my cr2s and over 500 games in them, once past the ready rack its now the slowest reloading top tier.
And the ready rack replenishment is a shambles
Aye its not much of a difference is it really.
Bout all it gets man xD
No it isnt.
My cr2s wirh maxed crews and expert its only 7.4 seconds.
With ace its 6.5 or 6.8 roughly.
5 rounds is not good at all especially how top tier games unfold, if it was slower paced and bigger maps, maybe.
Its also the longest or one of the longest replenishment of ready rack times.
Who said im struggling ? Im just objectively pointing out the round sucks.
No the turret has now a massive weakpoint under the breach, seeing as gaijin broke the model.
And as @Morvran will tell you the breach weak point is unnecessary large, god forbid the word trunion gets.mentioned.
No but it isnt exactly.off topic were comparing what one is worse.
Which is hilarious as they all meed fixed
well uh i dont bring the Leo 2A7HU in my top tier lineup (i have it and have had it since a week after release) due to it really not fitting the italian playstyle at top tier in my opinion its a tad on the slower end of things
They should have gotten the Canadian leopards but Gaijin thought it was more fitting Germany got a leopard 2A4M premium. Quite sad the only reason the 2A7V is competitive at top tier and not other NATO tanks is because of Swedish trials and some other documentation on them. Meanwhile gaijin thinks Britain hasn’t improved their armor in 40 years.
Brimstones will never get Fire and Forget mode, Gaijin has made that very clear by how they’ve been handling the situation. Quite disappointing honestly that most NATO equipment gets shafted but what can you do.
Leopard 2s, 90M, BVM, Arietes, Merkavas, M1s, Leclercs.
You’ll still keep shooting all of those in a very similar fashion with more weakspot area being measured by pixels.
It’s actually 59 flat pen behind DM53 that Arietes are using.
As I said, this looks good on paper and will make your round spall more, but it won’t give you superpowers to ignore armor of most of your foes.
L26 beats DM23 with 61 flat pen but relatively speaking it’s a bigger upgrade than L27A1 → DM53 is.
It was just an example of one round being far better than the other at the same BR.
3BM42 is a great upgrade too.
L27A1 is far from garbage as it will go through mostly the same weakspots as DM53.
Arietes can go fast, reach the spot and cosplay as a paper box. This is one of the reasons why most higher/top tier lights is far off the meta. Their mobility/reload/round isn’t anything special when compared to MBTs but they come with no armor whatsoever.
They cracked the code, now expect more “unique/new” vehicles that go to half of the nations all at the same time lol.
Just Ariete things.
Yeah but bringing Arietes into UK thread wasn’t needed at all.
We kind of endulged in a competition to see who’s worse, which isn’t really on topic.
Its still statistically better and does allow for more leniance, especially at longer ranges
Yeah got mixed up with the 2A6/A7 pen my bad.
59 more pens anything to be scoffed at regardless.
Yeah but its the same idea as dm53 to l27a1 but in reverse, look at how dm53, m829a2 performs compared to DCT10 or L27A1, 3mb60 etc
They are far better rounds overall compared to the worse penning rounds.
This would be a fair argument if the cr2 actually had effective armour.
While it is more than the ariete, it falls short in every other aspect, bar optics as you rightly corrected of me.
I am actually looking forward to getting the arietes, italy for me so far is quite relaxing to play.
Same as china,france and isreal.
Lol yeah here we go now we got leopards in every tree and t80s.in every other tree 😂
True this tends to happen in these threads.
My apologies.
Btw this isnt me saying the arietes are good, just a peg above cr2 doesnt mean its good, sadly same as the merkavas and i must say the wz1001 so chinese mbts are suffering too.
nuh uh
