Su-57 has no similitary aside from having the same designation due bein related to same company.
Source: Trust me bro.
So if we just remove the 2A7V designation and slaps 3 at the end of Leopard 2 is it okay for you to call 4th gen? Cause thats what they did with Challenger 3.
Honestly the amount of cope I’m seeing right now is hilarious, I guess British mains can’t handle the truth due to their superiority complex.
There is a bunch of stuff that can, but it isn’t going to make a big difference in the game… it will only make a big difference in real life.
And who decides that, you or the so called “trust me source”?
Lmao.
That study is based on early leopards variants whil the main point is the Leopard2A5 that was recieved by Poland army.
It has nothing to do with mote advanced version of Leopard2’s.
At best there’s C4I integration (also introduced on some “3rd” gens), the Type 10 otherwise has no real leap over existing “3rd gen” features (Autoloader/Composite/CITV/FCS etc.)
and as you say it makes no difference in game
Where are you even getting that from?
Find atleast a source as long as it not wikipedia.
I don’t trust your source.
That the whole point. Are you serious? It the evolution. They kept upgrading until it was too far from the original tank then they declare it as an next gen MBT because fo how much more advance it is compare to it older ones. So your saying the Su-57 simply is an 4th gen fighter then.
Prove it…show the proper evidence. Don’t hide.
It will make no difference in the game unless Gaijin decides to take realism to another level and cause a ridiculous amount of extra bugs.
The military and the manufacture.
I mean, if you call all the sources fake, even the ones from the Ministry of Defence. We can wait 30 years and come back here, then I can probably prove even more evidence when the tank came to service.
“ cLiam’s I use Wikipedia as source” meanwhile uses another 3rd party web site while the subject is explained by USAF technician which has nothing to do with Russian aircraft.
Another Us expert also claimed that MiG-23’s main cannon which is Gsh-23 can fire NATO munitions which also completely lie.
Should we take his word as absolute truth as well?
That was sarcasm but due to lacking comprehending skills you didn’t even understood that.
So you’re admitting that 2A7V is next gen MBT, good.
Su-57 is entirely new airframe based on no other previous serial production Sukhoi models, jeez Louise……
Considering you showed nothing but absolute circus show I think I made my point pretty clear.
Oh btw your so called “4th gen” Challenger 3 uses the same FCS,Gun and ammunition that is used on 2A7V developed by Rheinmetall.
While Chally 3 wasn’t even a thing 2A7V was already rolling out with those systems which is the main point of Challenger 3 btw.
This whole debate becomes even more fun with every second.
Not good enough to be consider as one.
and? where did you even get all this source from?
I said as long as it not wikipedia. where have I said you 100% use wikipedia as your source?
How do you know which one is a lie and which one is not? Can you completely 100% promise that?
That will depend on how deep you searched. Sometimes the source seemed fake but it was copy and pasted from an official source and declared as his self-made source.
I am asking you to proof it, but you refuse to do so.
I can’t trust your point when you have no source.
Well what did they change if you have every classify document in your hand?
After all, you still didn’t give me the source. It look like it all made up by you. You have basically deny a few source from the defence ministry then proof it to me that the Leo 2a7V is an 4th gen MBT.
Poland mentioned 💪💪💪💪
Sometimes I wonder how you keep finding these. Do you just search “Poland” every hour or so?
I sense a disturbance in the force
According to you, who?
You’re not expert on this case nor your 3rd party web sites kiddo.
KNDS, Rheinmetall, UK MOD which all of them shares basic information about both 2A7V and upcoming Challenger 3, i guess its so hard to find their page and read it for you.
Sure.
So you’re claiming that Gsh-23, a cannon you can find on Mig-23 and many other Soviet jets can actually use Nato 20mm munitions despite it was specifically designed for Russian 23mm round?
I guess cows can fly as well.
Do you have actual proof that shows Su-57 is based on previous Su-27 aside from some random USAF technican words?
You can read this suggestion which contains many sources
This Su-27 aka Flanker.
And this is SU-57 FELON
Now do show me which similarity these two planes shares aside from ‘‘SU’’ name, even their designations are different and both of them belongs to different generation and era.
However if i use your logic F-22 is also 4th gen developed based on previous 4th gen US aircrafts which is not even the case.
The Challenger 3 is the British Army’s newest main battle tank, made by Rheinmetall BAE Systems Land (RBSL). It is an upgrade of the older Challenger 2, with a new turret, better electronics, and stronger protection. The tank uses a new 120 mm smoothbore gun, which fires standard NATO ammunition and is more powerful and accurate than the old rifled cannon. Challenger 3 also has modern digital systems, giving the crew better sights and computers to find and hit targets faster.
It uses L55A1 120mm smoothbore cannon expected to get the KE2020Neo aka DM83 in the future. Aside from that, it is capable of firing all NATO 120mm shells, such as the DM73 APFSDS shell or DM11 programmable HE shell. Right now, it’s current shell that it uses is the DM63A1. 15 shells can be carried in the back of the turret, while the other 16 are stowed in the hull according to DSEI.
Rheinmetall was awarded by Challenger 3 contract and main purpose was the upgrade existing Challenger 2’s to current Nato standarts.
Now i wonder which Nato tank also uses L55A1 cannon, a tank that was rolled out before challenger 3 was even a thing? Hmmm…
Sources are here in case you cant read.
Are these enough or do you need more sources before claiming more absurd things.
Always.
To majority of the people, proably except this type of people like you.
This one. This one is an official source associated with the Ministry of UK Defence and NATO. It is, of course, going to be about the challenger because it is mainly about the UK.
Majority of people? , please name them and their expertise on Leopard with documents please, im waiting. (Side note: you cant )
Rheinmetall is also official source since its the company who’s upgrading existing Chally2’s to Chally3’s.
Anyway seems like you got nothing left in your hands aside from empty claims which most of them already silenced by my last comment with sources.
Im out.
So this guy you trust also uses 3rd-party websites and no official source from Russia, and you believe him? He even uses Wikipedia. I guess I can use wikipedia after all if you believe him.
Welp, it looks like 2649 people did agree about them being the 4th gen MBT in the future.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/1d74w0c/supposed_4thgeneration_mbts_ie_marketing_term/
https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/1oo66ec/4th_generation_main_battle_tanks/
