despite gaijin being lazy and literally 80% of the type 10 being incorrect and it not even being the 48t high threat level armour verison its still so good. Reverse speed reload speed and FCS being the best at top tier and in the right players hands the best top tier mbt
I am very sure that Japan has, like, 3 4th-gen MBTs already; any other nation still relies on 3rd gen other than the British Challenger 3.
If we follow your logic all upgraded NATO tanks are 4th gen already, what makes you think Leopard2A7V sits at the same category that Leopard2A4 is?
Its the Britian that left in dust and they finally decided to upgrade their horsework to modern standarts.
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Separating MBT’s into generations seems a bit pointless to me?
Leo 1 = 2nd Gen
Leo 2 = 3rd Gen the 2a7v is a 3++
Leo 3 = 4th gen
Why?
So what defines a Gen 2 MBT?
What defines a Gen 3 MBT?
What defines a Gen 4 MBT?
And if a Leopard 1 is a Gen 1 MBT, then what is an M46? T-54? Centurion?
I am very sure it an 2nd Gen but the rest I will do some research.
In that case Challenger 3 is also 3++ due bein based on Challenger 2.
You just disproved your point.
Well, the M1E3 is also based on the M1A2 abrams no?? So the US lied that it an 4th gen tank by your logic?
You’re the one who claims Leopard2A7V bein 3+ gen while in reality its 4th gen, just like challenger 3.
Dont know wha you thinking but think again.
then proof it…
In my understanding the Leo 2a7v is just an extremely superior version of the Leo 2A4.
Prove what? Chally 3 is based on Chally 2?
So does Challenger 3 smart kid.
Its based on Challenger 2 hull with significant upgrades.
Here, they already made a suggestion about Chally 3 with modular armor.
Now look at those pictures and claim that Chally 3 is entirely new tank, I dare you.
According to this source all leo 2 are consider an 3rd gen MBT.
https://zeszyty-naukowe.awl.edu.pl/article/161760/en#sec-654244
It said Challenger 3 is an 4th gen MBT too.
https://defence-blog.com/uk-delays-challenger-3-battle-tank-production
Basically everything. is the Su-57 a 4th-gen aircraft because it is base on crazy amount of upgrades from the older 4++ gen flankers?
I mean, do you really expect them to completely redesign every part of the tank?
The source you shared doesn’t even talk about 2A6/A6E models, let alone the 2A7V.
Lol.
3rd party web side claims Challenger 3 is 4th gen MBT, source: “trust me bro”.
Yeah man I’m totally sure Su-57 shares the same airframe,avionics,flight performance that Su-27 has.
Same goes for F-22 as well, bet its based on F-16 :))
So challenger 3, a tank based on Challenger 2 is 4th gen but 2A7V which shares hull design with 2A4 suddenly becomes 3rd gen?
Lmao even.
Exactly, so they have some similarity.
The Leo 2 has always been a 3rd-gen tank, all variants. If you want to compare that, you should be comparing the Leo 2 and Leo 3, not comparing the special upgrade variant of that specific tank. You shall compare the massive major upgrade of it…
that’s because it is
unlike Aircraft that’s no real clear cut-off by technological/avionics/weaponry leaps, MBT gens are mostly defined by service dates
It doesn’t need to, have you even read the entire thing?
So there’s no point in calling it a Challenger 3, is there? It’s a Challenger 2 if it’s classified as an 3rd gen