“ cLiam’s I use Wikipedia as source” meanwhile uses another 3rd party web site while the subject is explained by USAF technician which has nothing to do with Russian aircraft.
Another Us expert also claimed that MiG-23’s main cannon which is Gsh-23 can fire NATO munitions which also completely lie.
Should we take his word as absolute truth as well?
That was sarcasm but due to lacking comprehending skills you didn’t even understood that.
So you’re admitting that 2A7V is next gen MBT, good.
Su-57 is entirely new airframe based on no other previous serial production Sukhoi models, jeez Louise……
Considering you showed nothing but absolute circus show I think I made my point pretty clear.
Oh btw your so called “4th gen” Challenger 3 uses the same FCS,Gun and ammunition that is used on 2A7V developed by Rheinmetall.
While Chally 3 wasn’t even a thing 2A7V was already rolling out with those systems which is the main point of Challenger 3 btw.
This whole debate becomes even more fun with every second.
I said as long as it not wikipedia. where have I said you 100% use wikipedia as your source?
How do you know which one is a lie and which one is not? Can you completely 100% promise that?
That will depend on how deep you searched. Sometimes the source seemed fake but it was copy and pasted from an official source and declared as his self-made source.
I am asking you to proof it, but you refuse to do so.
I can’t trust your point when you have no source.
Well what did they change if you have every classify document in your hand?
After all, you still didn’t give me the source. It look like it all made up by you. You have basically deny a few source from the defence ministry then proof it to me that the Leo 2a7V is an 4th gen MBT.
You’re not expert on this case nor your 3rd party web sites kiddo.
KNDS, Rheinmetall, UK MOD which all of them shares basic information about both 2A7V and upcoming Challenger 3, i guess its so hard to find their page and read it for you.
Sure.
So you’re claiming that Gsh-23, a cannon you can find on Mig-23 and many other Soviet jets can actually use Nato 20mm munitions despite it was specifically designed for Russian 23mm round?
I guess cows can fly as well.
Do you have actual proof that shows Su-57 is based on previous Su-27 aside from some random USAF technican words?
You can read this suggestion which contains many sources
This Su-27 aka Flanker.
And this is SU-57 FELON
Now do show me which similarity these two planes shares aside from ‘‘SU’’ name, even their designations are different and both of them belongs to different generation and era.
However if i use your logic F-22 is also 4th gen developed based on previous 4th gen US aircrafts which is not even the case.
The Challenger 3 is the British Army’s newest main battle tank, made by Rheinmetall BAE Systems Land (RBSL). It is an upgrade of the older Challenger 2, with a new turret, better electronics, and stronger protection. The tank uses a new 120 mm smoothbore gun, which fires standard NATO ammunition and is more powerful and accurate than the old rifled cannon. Challenger 3 also has modern digital systems, giving the crew better sights and computers to find and hit targets faster.
It uses L55A1 120mm smoothbore cannon expected to get the KE2020Neo aka DM83 in the future. Aside from that, it is capable of firing all NATO 120mm shells, such as the DM73 APFSDS shell or DM11 programmable HE shell. Right now, it’s current shell that it uses is the DM63A1. 15 shells can be carried in the back of the turret, while the other 16 are stowed in the hull according to DSEI.
Rheinmetall was awarded by Challenger 3 contract and main purpose was the upgrade existing Challenger 2’s to current Nato standarts.
Now i wonder which Nato tank also uses L55A1 cannon, a tank that was rolled out before challenger 3 was even a thing? Hmmm…
Sources are here in case you cant read.
Are these enough or do you need more sources before claiming more absurd things.
To majority of the people, proably except this type of people like you.
This one. This one is an official source associated with the Ministry of UK Defence and NATO. It is, of course, going to be about the challenger because it is mainly about the UK.
So this guy you trust also uses 3rd-party websites and no official source from Russia, and you believe him? He even uses Wikipedia. I guess I can use wikipedia after all if you believe him.
So you prove that you gave up and still can’t prove to me that the Leo 2 is a 4th-gen MBT, and yet you trusted a guy with Wikipedia? @Hetaeron Your friend.
Not gonna accept with a unsure answer. The Leo 2A7V will certainly be a 3+ tank; however, the Challenger 3 will still require further investigation. There no official source saying it was an 3rd gen tank and majority of the 3rd party source said it was an 4th gen tank.
The British saying the CR 3 is a 4th generation MBT could also be them saying it’s the fourth major leap in capabilities, therefore “4th generation of British MBT design” (Centurion - > Challanger 1 - > Challanger 2 - > Challanger 3), but by other standards, it and the Leopard 2A7V or the Leopard 2A8 would be considered Generation 3 Enhanced/+ designs due to still being based on older platforms as a whole, but incorporating a whole bunch of new technologies/techniques/gadgets that didn’t exist back in the day.
FYI, the Type 10 ALSO isn’t a “4th generation” vehicle, it is by all means in line with Generation 3 Enhanced design principles, i.e advanced FCS, advanced munitions/engine/armor, etc.
What could be considered a 4th generation, would be an MBT with everything Gen 3+ have today, but with unmanned turrets, advanced high calibre autoloaders with next generation munitions/KEP/NLOS, drone capability, jamming capability, etc. The closest to it is unironically going to be the Leopard 3 within the next 10 years.
it depends what classification you use. This is western.
Russian is bit more logical. 1st gen have composite protection, 2nd generally have autoloaders or blowout panels or ERA, 3rd get APS and electronical warfare features. Those are generally speaking, but this is usually what defies them.
Based on their own tanks, T-64A is 1st, Black Eagle 2 is 2nd, T-14 is 3rd.
Again, there is no official usage of this, only media. I wanted to do research and release of this soon, maybe there would be interesting info
war thunder does a awful job at FCS generations gen 3 is still the max in military tech gen 3 contains dual band meaning they see both mid wave (MWIR) and long wave (LWIR) infrared simultaneously.
