So playing with your knife only in CS isn’t griefing either.
I invite you to try that and see how quickly you get kicked out of the server and reported for being a trash, griefer teammate.
Playing Reserve tier vehicles at top tier in ARB/GRB is griefing.
Applying Counter Strike’s toxic player moderation to War Thunder is not the play here.
No, playing the game with what you want isn’t griefing.
Out of all the things here, the only griefing mentioned was teamkilling, which you and others endorsed doing… at least when it favors you.
So I’m not taking your posts seriously when you were pro-griefing when it suits you.
War Thunder is not a hyper competitive game, it has a game mode for that: Tournaments.
But the game itself is not.
It’s more akin to Battlefield, which will let you bring WW2 weapons into modern fights.
All developers, even Valve, do not consider playing the game how you want griefing; and neither does the English language.
Player votes are not a representation of developers.
And I’ll keep opposing griefing.
I oppose teamkilling, I oppose ramming, I oppose all those things.
Edit: Motorola, my post here isn’t intended as an attack on you.
If you feel that way, I apologize.
My anger at the off-topic derailment [which you didn’t cause] of this topic about some dude bringing a lower BR vehicle turned into irrelevant teamkilling, ODLs in a game mode without multi-spawn, and so forth.
I still agree with you on most things, Motorola. If this is one of the things we disagree on, I’m okay with that reality.
So now it’s toxic to strive for balanced lobbies and games. Good to know.
It very much is if the game in question is team oriented.
You could also play football and only walk, but I doubt your team would be impressed with that to be honest.
I wasn’t endorsing TK.
I don’t think the word griefing means what you think it means.
I could personally agree that there should be some limitations to BR discrepancies in SOME game modes for squads entering the queue (like air RB, there it makes sense due to the one spawn mechanic). But bringing one lower BR vehicle with you into a match that has multiple spawns isn’t inherently griefing, especially not since there is intentional game design connected to doing so (god mode). You might want that award to be removed and for bringing lower BR vehicles to become griefing, but it currently isn’t.
From the OP…
“They were only there to shoot each other and damage team mates”
So yeah, it IS part of the topic.
Maybe you should actually read the thread.
God Mode works in ARB as well.
It’s generally a really weird achievement to have in the game as it promotes extremely toxic and anti-team gameplay, which is absurd for a game that wants to be team oriented.
So a full squad spawning M22s at top tier, dying and leaving the game isn’t griefing.
Damn.
Which makes it WORSE.
start with a sub-tier aircraft and … you won’t be brining in your full-tier aircraft.
At least in Arcade you can use your better aircraft after the “beater” has been destroyed.
EDIT… so for RB, one person in the squad came in with the proper vehicle (otherwise the squad would not be there) but the other squad members lined up an out-of-BR-range aircraft.
IMO that is simple Trolling. Taking the place of legit players and in all likelihood contributing nothing to the team.
Not at all, it is GENERALLY a reward for people who have run out of jets to keep up the fight to the last prop plane and NOT quit. I would bet that most air godmodes are rewarded in arcade. Very RARELY does a plane in realistic accomplish god mode. You need a squad in RB. In arcade, you need a jet. (If you are after the cash, in arcade it is much easier to collect it)
Generally means generally, not specific. ;-)
And the game means the game, not the mode.
It’s not even in general as GAB, GRB and ARB don’t really benefit from infinite respawns unlike AAB.
And you’re free to that opinion. But i do not agree with you. I’ve personally experienced multiple occasions of a lower BR vehicle being spawned in and in one occasion it started with our team going: “protect the child!” in chat and everyone came together to try to help that player get the God Mode achievement and celebrating when they eventually managed to get it as everyone kept trying to assist them by disabling the enemies. (GRB for clarification)
If that isn’t positivity and happy players i don’t know what is.
Where did i say this? Where in my post did i mention one death leaving at the same time? I in fact mentioned the exact opposite:
You are talking about an archivement (god mode).
Just rephrase what you meant to say instead of moving the goalposts around.
So all 15 players decided to help the “child” and not a single one was annoyed ?
Just because you can spawn multiple times doesn’t mean players will do that, so what they do with their first and only spawn matters even more.
They could also die and spawn a Stuart next, so would that be griefing ?
Infinite spawns was so oppressive in GAB when it existed, that it caused the 3 spawn limit.
Though in reality it should be a 5 spawn limit, as 5 is the maximum number of free to play slots you can have.
Either way, the worst case is a team abandons their prop entirely and that’s 1 less aircraft to rely on pressuring the enemy.
Cause say what you will about lower BR planes, every time my friend brought one out, he pressured the enemy team better than the jets present.
@QTip_44
I’ve amended a number of my posts.
Talking about the God Mode achievement in a thread that has Realistic Battle tag in it.
You’re the one trying to force Arcade into it for some weird reason.
Yea, I definitely agree Reserve tier crop dusters can pressure Rafales into submission.
Not in chat at the very least. I won’t claim that no player got annoyed as not everyone was typing in chat. But then again, i’ve seen players get annoyed at really weird things in War Thunder.
That is a separate issue in my opinion.
Again, i don’t think that word means what you think it means.
Removing Godmode from Warthunder is a massive income nerf. To restrict squad difference to 4BR would remove Godmode from air RB effectively, as it could no longer be obtained. The other modes could still make use of it.
So if there were some players that weren’t really “on board” with that idea, you basically griefed them out of their own enjoyment when you did that. Not everyone enjoys the “funni” and “child protection”.
This is a perfectly valid reason to get annoyed at.
Sorry but I know very well what griefing is.
Join a top tier game, spawn in a M22, die, spawn in a Stuart, die and then finally spawn in a M13 to top it off before leaving.
This is textbook griefing as you intentionally reduced the chances for your team’s success.
In theory, whole team could do this and the match would just look like crap at that point.