Travel Suitcase drop chances: What we found

27 days ago, I started a project for us to calculate the drop chances together. And the results are in! Thanks to y’all, we tabulated 3,904 boxes. I would like to extend a special thanks to @mixu83 for being an absolute chad and opening and submitting the exact results for a staggering 2,248 boxes (technically they opened 2,250, but 2 of them were not counted by the game and so we don’t know what they are) and @legoplaneman for submitting 970 boxes! @mixu83’s 2,248 counted openings made up 46.12% of all of the boxes opened, and @legoplaneman’s 970 boxes made up 19.90% of all boxes upened! I also added to the data all 405 of the boxes I opened. All of the results were tabulated in the following spreadsheet:

When the Toolbox’s chances were calculated, it resulted in a 1.57% chance of obtaining a vehicle. That is an incredibly skewed chance, and here’s why. For the toolbox, I accepted all submissions. This is an issue because it meant people were only submitting when they got vehicles because that is what people took screenshots of. So this time, I only allowed submissions of full dropsets. The results were much different and much more accurate. So here’s what your data showed.

The chance of getting a vehicle was 0.49%. This is about 1 vehicle for every 200 boxes. I had heard anecdotally that people were seeing chances of around 1 in 400, but the data portrays the higher 1 in 200 chance. In 4,874 boxes, 24 vehicles were obtained. Other than that, decals were the most common of the “good” prizes, with 49 being obtained out of 4,874 boxes, for a chance of 1.01%, still only 1 in 100. Only 3 camouflages were obtained, making it the rarest prize (aside from the IS-7) with a chance of 0.06%.

The most common drop was SL, with 37.30% of all drops being SL. The most common SL drop was 15,000. 10.79% of all drops were 15,000 SL, making it the most common drop. The next most common drops were 10,000 SL and 25,000 SL, with chances of 9.97% and 9.03% respectively. For boosters, the most common drop was far and out the 20% RP booster. 8.21% of all drops were 20% RP boosters. SL boosters were surprisingly uncommon. Only 3.20% of drops were 20% SL boosters and while RP boosters made up a total of 14.65% of all drops, SL boosters only made up 5.48% of all drops. Orders made up 12.58% of drops and the chances appear to be roughly equal across all orders. Domination had the lowest chance at 1.46%, and Blind Hunt had the highest chance at 2.20%. The difference between the orders can mostly be attributed to random chance and is negligible. The same applies to wagers. 14.24% of all drops were wagers. Destroy 5 Units was the least common wager with a chance of 1.42% and Wingman was the most common with a chance of 2.28%. Finally, universal backups made up 13.52% of all drops. Single backups had the highest chance at 7.25% of all drops, followed by double backups with a chance of 4.66%, with triple backups in third place at 1.62%.

The point of all of this is to show that while Gaijin advertizes all these vehicles and rare prizes you can obtain, the truth is that they are vanishingly rare. Vehicles, the crown jewel, have a chance of 1 in 200, and the other “good” prizes aren’t much better. That’s not to say that the other prizes are not of use, I have made liberal use of all the boosters I got, especially the SL boosters, but it is to say that if you are truly gunning for a vehicle, prepare to be disappointed. Even if you do get a vehicle, it could be a duplicate. I opened 405 boxes and got 1 vehicle at box 143: the IJN Haruna which I already got from the Summer Quest event. Instead it just turned into 1 million SL for me and I didn’t get another vehicle. I know that everyone knows that the chances are extremely rare, but even so, the actual numbers are very telling.

Anyway, that concludes this set of gambling boxes. The next time you’ll hear from me will likely be the next set of gambling boxes which will probably be at the end of September judging by the fact that they are releasing them when the events in the old event cycle used to happen. After that, y’all will just have to wait for 2024 in review because writing on that thing has commenced. Maybe you’ll also see one of my occasional ramblings about whatever event is happening too. Alright bye.

NOTE: This post has been updated to reflect the new statistics drawn by adding @legoplaneman’s 970 boxes.

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Didn’t count how many boxes I opened but it was certainly quite a few million SL’s worth. did get at least two camo’s plus two tanks (T-34E and the BMD-4) not counting at least two 1 million SL crates and a ton of the smaller ones and boosters.

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I love these gamble boxes, unlimited boosters and chance for vehicles.
I wish they were a permanent thing.

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Same here, except it was a CT-CV. 1 million SL compensation is a joke when you realise how much you spent to even get the duplicate.

Going by your numbers each vehicle will set you back 12 million SL, so the compensation only refunds 12% of the cost.

A truly fair solution would be to either:

1 - exclude owned vehicles from prize pool
2 - give tradeable coupon
3 - give 12 million SL refund (cost of 1x vehicle)

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Agreed. At a bare minimum, something like this needs to happen. Ideally though, I’d love a better and more reasonable way to get old event vehicles. I fundamentally dislike these boxes. I consider them to be highly predatory and a bad thing for the game. I’d love something like the Battle Pass vehicle box, if it didn’t replace a new vehicle.

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Oh god, I hope the next ground event is something so broke it just starts at 250GJN. 🙏

I’ve spent something over 40 million - that’s the headline amount I have less now than when I started, so add to that “normal income”, plus the 1 million and 300- and 100,000 SL substitute prizes, etc.

I got 5 vehicles I already had - but then I’m an old whale so I have most of the vehicles and wasn’t expecting any more. Got a couple of decals and decorations that I didn’t have too IIRC.

Did get a sellable decoration - Russian “assault body armour” - got me GJN 1.71!! yay! :D

I did get a sellable vehicle from a normal loot box in this period tho’ - BM-13N - go figure! lol

So I wasn’t after the vehicles - it is the backups and RP boosters that I want, and I am very satisfied with those.

Still have >100 million for next time…

Is it too late to submit? I have 970 counted but had to sort out the spreadsheet.

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Sure. You can submit it. The form is closed so can you drop the link to the sheet here or DM me with the link?

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I will buy as much GE as I can until the next Summer Boxes and convert it to SL, maybe by then the dupe issue is solved. All I want is the Ka-Chi, and I find it insulting that over 100 Million SL total was not enough this time.

Just as insulting as the lack of more realistic and fair alternative ways.

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Maybe they should just make a guaranteed vehicle box for like 250 million SL or something ridiculous. Something so that its not easy to get at all but the option is still there for people who want to try and get it

I guess but 250 M SL is absolutely ridiculous. I want a system more like the new Battle Pass vehicle box, but without it replacing a new vehicle like the BP vehicle box did.

Yeah probably. I have no idea how much one of these should cost but it should be like 20mil+ at least to prevent people from just GE SL’ing the vehicle boxes
Maybe on a once-per-month timer or something?

Mathematically speaking, the sample size of 4000 seems a bit small, but it also has some reference value, I have roughly counted the vehicle drop rate (consumption of sl-acquisition of vehicle number) in the community before, and the average is to consume 13 million sl to acquire a vehicle,
so the guess is that there are a total of 30 kinds of vehicles with a drop probability of 0.015% and IS-7 with a drop probability of 0.001%, at the same time 0.005% out of 0.015% will drop coupons(stats show about 1 in 5 vehicles will be coupons)

You came up with 13 million SL and someone else came up with 12 million, so it seems pretty consistent. Also I’m about to add another 970 boxes.

They have all been added. Sorry it took me a while.

The text of this post has also now been updated to reflect the new data from those 970 boxes.

Just in case anyone hasn’t seen my suggestions to fix/improve the duplicate item drops from the toolboxes.
TL;DR:

  1. Change to NO duplicates, but lower the odds of any vehicle from 0.5% to something like 0.05%. The company would never change to no duplicates without also lowering the odds. (I do NOT advocate for this as you would now need ~2,000 boxes to HOPE to have a chance, instead of “only” ~200 boxes. Spending 120 Million SL instead of 12 Million for a chance at one vehicle.)

  2. Change to NO duplicates with the same odds, but only allow it for those with 180 days+ or even 365 days+ of premium time. (This would be my preference, allows a “cheap” route for collectors to get NO duplicates, while also generating more stable income for Gaijin. A true win/win imo.)

  3. Change the 1m SL for duplicates to 12m SL, which by the odds, would give you enough SL to “get” another vehicle. (I think this route is bad though, as it would flood the market with other prizes which would dilute everything even more. I do not advocate for this option.)

  4. Changing to DIRECT CHOICE of vehicle is UNTENABLE as they would lower the odds to be like the main prize odds @ 0.001%. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, just NO.

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