It heavily depends on the type of fight it’s being compared in, a flanker is never going to beat an F-15 or Eurofighter in a 2 circle or vertical fight, but stands a much higher chance at pulling into them in a 1 circle or more dynamic fight, although this comes in the form of F-15A/C vs Su-27/Su-33 and the more advanced fight being Eurofighter vs Su-30SM/Su-35S.
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You do realize even irl the only thing they’re known for in a dogfight is doing advanced post stall maneuvers and high AoA turns right? They are just advanced MiG-21s in this regard. It is not the same thing as the F-16 and F-15 having massive thrust to weight ratio advantages or ratefighting advantages.
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Don’t even try to make up some reality where they’re just slightly better Mig-21’s.
objectively false, I have had variable success against F-15 players by using SIM mode toggling to manipulate my AoA to win fights, same is applicable against most other aircraft unless they lack drag (J-10, Gripen) or have better TWR (mirage 2000, F-16A (depends))
Personal experience doesn’t make the flight model good. You can beat just about anyone if they are terrible at the game, the F-15 wins any time without a bad pilot.
I mean, the Su-27 for example rates very close to the F-15 irl, so no, they aren’t just 1 circle only jets, whoever told you that lied to you.
i agree, im just sayign temper your expectations
Ok, but that then makes it’s performance entirely subjective to the pilot, skill in this day and age of dogfighting is a very small bracket, in a range of 95-5% of players, of that 5%, which is having learned advanced micromanaging and tactics to maximise the ability of the airframe, and outside (in the 95% of players) just holding W until you see the enemy plane’s tail, which do you fit into in your opinion?
Do you have any definitive evidence of this, outside of that one dubious NASA assessment?
It is basically impossible for a MiG-29 or Su-27 to beat most other Fourth Gen jets ingame assuming both pilots are equal skill. What I’m saying is just because you killed some F-15’s, which are notoriously bad players, it means nothing.
I mean, there is plenty of things that have been said over the decades, all leading to the same conclusion. Russian jets have good flight performance irl. I don’t have something exactly on hand, but Gaijin basically butchered the one thing they are known for.
gross overstatement
When did I claim they were notoriously bad? I simply stated that it’s easily possible to utilise the Flanker’s ability to pull extreme AoA in game to it’s advantage to cut inside a circle and get rounds on target, a factor that you seem to openly neglect in all of your statements
I mean, the general consensus is that NATO airframes have better electronics while Russian airframes have better flight performance.
I don’t mean that literally… I mean the advantages they bring to the table in a dogfight are the same thing that the MiG-21s have in game already on F-4s for example. The Flanker should 1. Pull more AoA and 2. Do crazy post stall maneuvers but otherwise the FM should not be that great… it doesn’t have good engines for its weight irl and it has too much drag doing those turns to be useful for more than a few seconds.
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Not really, that is still a myth based on a few flight evaluations after the war, do you think that if this was truly the case, that NATO airframes would’ve adapted to be more like the russian counterparts to emulate their manoeuvrability, or just stayed the same or utilised better designs (like the Rafale and Eurofighter)?
Not at all the general consensus.
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I never said you claimed they’re notoriously bad. And I didn’t mention the ability to pull a ton because it isn’t something that saves the Flanker, it falls right out of the sky after doing it. It isn’t some ace up it’s sleeve. The flight model is a brick at high speeds and when you go to slow down to pull, it loses any energy retention, it isn’t good ingame. It has too much drag.
If you aren’t managing the stall correctly then yes, it will, because guess what, you have just stalled the aircraft (committing to a PSM which bleeds speed in favour of AoA), you have to ditch the nose before completing the full PSM in order not to bleed all of your speed like you are suggesting
so is the F-15 though?