yeah r77 arent the best, but they pull 50 gs(which isnt realistic but its fine for balance), theyre arguably the best at short range, which is alot of the game.
already by the next chinese flanker unless its a base model su 33 china is going to have better ones, even the “modern” su 35 isnt a match to chinese flankers
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Even then, the chinese will get Su-35s anyway, so not only will their be better, but they also get the cream of the crop from russia
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very much true, if youre a sukhoi fan china is the way to go as they are the ones actually making improvments on it.
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Well they’re terrible ingame at dog fighting when they should be very good, like they are irl. The Su-27 and Mig-29 are known for great flight performance.
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The range is too poor to challenge basically any other Fox 3 at range, and no, short range isn’t most of the game. And they’re not even the best at short range, that goes to the Mica EM.
i mean they arent particularly better than most of their contemporaries. they their pros and cons.
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Not quite
I mean, there is cons, but ingame, it is exclusively just cons, they have terrible flight performance and basically can’t out-dogfight any other Fourth Gen aircraft. Irl, they are known for their food flight performance.
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It heavily depends on the type of fight it’s being compared in, a flanker is never going to beat an F-15 or Eurofighter in a 2 circle or vertical fight, but stands a much higher chance at pulling into them in a 1 circle or more dynamic fight, although this comes in the form of F-15A/C vs Su-27/Su-33 and the more advanced fight being Eurofighter vs Su-30SM/Su-35S.
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You do realize even irl the only thing they’re known for in a dogfight is doing advanced post stall maneuvers and high AoA turns right? They are just advanced MiG-21s in this regard. It is not the same thing as the F-16 and F-15 having massive thrust to weight ratio advantages or ratefighting advantages.
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Don’t even try to make up some reality where they’re just slightly better Mig-21’s.
objectively false, I have had variable success against F-15 players by using SIM mode toggling to manipulate my AoA to win fights, same is applicable against most other aircraft unless they lack drag (J-10, Gripen) or have better TWR (mirage 2000, F-16A (depends))
Personal experience doesn’t make the flight model good. You can beat just about anyone if they are terrible at the game, the F-15 wins any time without a bad pilot.
I mean, the Su-27 for example rates very close to the F-15 irl, so no, they aren’t just 1 circle only jets, whoever told you that lied to you.
i agree, im just sayign temper your expectations
Ok, but that then makes it’s performance entirely subjective to the pilot, skill in this day and age of dogfighting is a very small bracket, in a range of 95-5% of players, of that 5%, which is having learned advanced micromanaging and tactics to maximise the ability of the airframe, and outside (in the 95% of players) just holding W until you see the enemy plane’s tail, which do you fit into in your opinion?
Do you have any definitive evidence of this, outside of that one dubious NASA assessment?
It is basically impossible for a MiG-29 or Su-27 to beat most other Fourth Gen jets ingame assuming both pilots are equal skill. What I’m saying is just because you killed some F-15’s, which are notoriously bad players, it means nothing.
I mean, there is plenty of things that have been said over the decades, all leading to the same conclusion. Russian jets have good flight performance irl. I don’t have something exactly on hand, but Gaijin basically butchered the one thing they are known for.