Top Tier Russian Fighters are worse than nearly all of their competition

The IRCCM is near useless beyond those ranges. The missile can still score kills beyond that range if the opponent neglects to deploy countermeasures.

As you can see in both of my clips. Both targets were deploying countermeasures. The F-15 especially started deploying at 3km. The MiG-29 started deploying when the R-73 was 2.1km away and the ET was 2.8km away, both missiles hit.

Everyone has cherrypicked clips where the unlikely happens. Realistically the IRCCM of the R-73 is ineffective outside of point blank range. Sometimes you get lucky but there is a big gulf in the reliability of an R-73 ignoring flares within the ~1 to 1.5km range and 2km and beyond.

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Really its impossible to provide adequate evidence besides picking clips or anecdotal experience.

But based on my experience playing both the 9M and R-73, again the 9M is better at medium ranges but the R-73 isn’t far behind to call it “nearly useless beyond 1.5km”. Overall though I do find the R-73 to be the better missile as it helps me a lot when it comes to dogfighting.

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what is PSM?

Post stall maneuver

Since another used told me what PSM means, I have to ask you why you think being able to do gimmicky stall speed tricks = overpowered

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Look at his service record (OP too) and imagine how they get into toptier.
That’s the problem, and it’s not blaming these players because the possibility to do this is produced by gaijin.
They never learned the basics nor learned to play planes around their weaknesses.

This is one of the biggest lies that keeps on circulating here, aside from being bugged in every aspect it was only comparable at mach speeds. And remember - Stock r60, no ER first 1-2weeks, Radar completely bugged, Various FM bugs, HMD ACM came like a month later. I played it on day 1 or 2, one of the most horrific experiences I’ve had

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This thread is 200+ posts deep and I haven’t seen people trying to gaslight the OP into believing USSR jets are the best because of that missile that could be countered by using a single brain cell.

Forum might be progressing, at least on the Air side of things lol.

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The MiG-29 had better low and high speed maneuverability whereas the F-16 had very good sustained rate. That was it. You could win in a dogfight by simply outrating but the MiG-29 could just disengage and run away/recommit.

Both aircraft though had really weird FM before the February patch of that year, after that the MiG-29 was the clear winner in dogfighting as it received a larger buff than the F-16.

It did have the R-27T which had IRCCM and sort of long range for a Fox 2. Russian mains like to talk about how the ER was effectively useless because of multipathing, well the MiG-29 still had IRCCM missiles.

A lot of these issues got fixed rather quickly. The F-16 on the other hand kept with the AoA limiter until its fix 10 months later.

You’re probably thinking of the 2nd iteration, if so yes.

R-27T had R60 tier flare resistance, it was only good on the dev server (unflareable). The seeker range was also piss poor.

I wouldn’t call a 2-3 month period short. There was nothing to fix about the F16s, it’s just a buff because people were complaining. Even a mod has stated this here before. The f16 just wouldn’t pull crazy amounts of AoA at near mach speeds

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The R-27T was buggy on release AFAIK, the seeker was fine though and I believe it had gatewidth FoV of 0.7deg (initially). Its seeker got buffed in February as well and again in September receiving another seeker buff.

I used the R-27T and it wasn’t even that bad after February. The main issues people were having with it is its lower range and time to target compared to the R-24T.

Its pretty fast considering other bugs go unfixed for years.

I think you’re talking about the block 10 F-16. Im not fluent on aircraft history but I believe the block 15 received a larger elevator to improve high AoA stability which allowed it to pull harder.

They are not great also not terrible grade gonna admit that they going to have hard times fighting US well at least they didn’t fight US most dominate fighter in the world with Phantom like German did

I don’t think that would help. Solid-state electronics, meh missiles, and dogshit flight performance. it’d be like a worse f104 sitting at a higher br.
edit: nope it’s not solid state
r40 could be a good missile, but unsure if it has look-down capabilities

Dont even try to bring stats into this, I know how to play the game, I literally have 3 top tier air trees and Russian top tier jets are basically the worst. Sure you have to play around weaknesses, but the Mig-29SMT and Su-27SM are mostly weaknesses, they arent good.

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So in the Air Gaijin has US bias ?

which shouldn’t be the case because current aircraft in-game should be directly comparable to the F-15/16s we have, if their FMs + the R-77 drag engine limitation (bug) was fixed. Not to mention the F-16s overperforming by a casual 20%

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welcome to reality

they are not over performing lol