I get that, and admittedly the Ground tree could use some tweaking, but it’s annoying when you shift your focus to one part of the game and can’t enjoy your main anymore. Cus in the air they are less competitive, to a rather extreme degree, and like, they’ve been better in the past. So it’s frustrating to see the fall from grace
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We had a phase with the R-27ER where it was the best missile but then Gaijin drastically overcorrected by nerfing the Mig-29 flight models, and as result, the Su-27’s on release
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I mean thats the point. Its a long range stealth missile.
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It’s not a bad missile, but like, it’s more something you’d want on top of an already good jet, but in the case of Russian jets rn, it’s one of few things it has as a pro
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That’s not how balance or realism works tho?
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Just give Rusia Su-30SM and r-77-1’s or r-77M’s, or maybe even the R-37 lol
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its not as simple as doing what you suggest
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Ah yes, balance and realism is when Russia gets everything is supposed to and no one else does. No drawbacks, only positives because balance would be getting to be the Leo’s of air. While having the ONLY viable SAM platform in the game, even if it’s still outclassed.
Realism AND balance would be having point defense patriots pinging your radar and launching missiles at jets while they’re trying to run CAP or CAS.
Nothing about this game is realistic and gaijin has openly stated things aren’t equal.
So what do you want?
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Nobody said this but you, look up what a strawman argument is. Also, air balance has literally nothing to do with ground balance as they don’t even share BRs anymore. You can’t try to say “but muh pantsir” to somebody saying ussr top tier air sucks (which it does, big time)
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I know what a straw man argument is, I’m being hyperbolic on purpose.
So tell me, what in your opinion is fixing Russian air? Is it gaining FM performance and losing maximum loadout?
Air balance has exactly things to do with ground, because it’s a combined arms game. Air tree exists in a vacuum, but those same planes come to the ground game without any difference other than a BR change. So air tree doesn’t actually exist in a vacuum.
Unless you want to restrict air tree stats to their respective game modes.
Top tier is top tier regardless of BR, your BR argument is meaningless.
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Adding the Su-30SM right now wouldn’t be too bad.
Still not PESA but better radar
TVC
Canards
Heavier
Maybe R-77-1 but if its too good, just R-77s
Adding a jet introduced in 2013 wouldn’t be bad?
I had to go read up on it real quick, but we’re basically adding modern jets at this point but only for one nation.
I could be wrong with this last part though, idk a whole lot about air trees. Maybe the other nations have newer jets too, but I know the U.S. doesn’t.
Unnerf the MiG-29s FMs, buff the Su27 FM to be more competitive regarding drag/MER. Loadout doesn’t have to be adjusted because americans already have superior missiles here…
No sir, air RB has totally separate BRs now and thus has absolutely no ties to GRB regarding balance in air to air.
You don’t make sense.
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The American F-15C is like 2006 because of HMD.
Also planes are balanced based on performance, not year of addition.
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News flash, year of introduction doesn’t have to do with performance to the regard that its some hard barrier… J-7E is a 1990s modification which was added to the game when most jets were flying in ~65-70. If you waited to add the J-7E with its year date you would be adding it after the F-15E.
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I mean if planes are balanced off performance then by definition they’d be balanced right? Since giajin implements and controls the balancing.
Unless you mean which ones they add is based off performance. In which case fair, but I still don’t like it.
As a GRB player who would benefit from better Russian planes since that is the next tree I will complete in full(the one I mostly play now)… I would like this… but for balanced gameplay in GRB I don’t like it. I don’t think it’s fair to nations that have subpar anti-air to deal with a nation having the best helis, best AA and then a completely viable CAP platform too on top of it to deal with protection of their GREAT CAS. Even if there’s arguments to be made which is better, US or RU CAS.
I don’t like the slant it creates in gameplay.
I realize I’m in an AirRB thread though now though. Still, it affects GRB because these planes getting buffs doesn’t push them up in BR it just increases their(and their nations) performance against peers in top tier without those peers receiving a similar push in performance to deal with this added threat. Which are already lacking MUCH more in their ability to deal with air threats, which quite capable CAP helped out a bunch with.
Assumes gaijin does it with the vehicles in mind and not just what SL they make or how the average player plays them (the average player is terrible). Gaijin does the latter.
Why
russian fighters being better at being fighters is not relevant to grb besides cap which is very niche and the usa fighters would still be just as good at
why would it, air BRs and not tied to ground BRs at all
It didn’t even take one complete sentence for you to show that it is relevant in GRB. It isn’t at all niche. It is most people(that I know) go to AA answer because our AA’s mostly suck and are completely outclassed by CAS and pantsir. While even the pantsir is outclassed by CAS, but is leagues better than the other options on average.
Do you even play GRB? Or do you only only play USSR GRB? It’s not even niche in the slightest.
And you know there are other nations besides the U.S. right? This game has more than USSR and USA. What’s their answers to the above with planes “just as good” as your potential idea while lacking in all the others?
It’s unbalanced and you would want to make it more so.
And I still don’t get how you don’t understand BR’s are irrelevant when you’re discussing top tier. There’s nothing higher, it’s just best equipment.
again, since its hard for you to read, in a very specific and very NICHE way that has little impact. and ALSO again, BRs are SEPARATED ENTIRELY from air and ground RB so there is no discussion here. They are balanced separately. And AGAIN, even doing what I suggested would not put russian aircraft in a position of power against USA aircraft which if you werent aware is the most pampered air nation from 1.0 to 13.7…
You can check profiles and find out
Let’s pretend the Gripen, J-10A, F-15, or F-16 suffer against a buffed MIG-29 or Su-27 yeah?
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Since you are unable to discuss things without resorting to insulting behavior which is why you weren’t responded to before. You wont be now.