All it takes is to play several nations to realize how Russian jets have basically nothing going for them
I’m just messing with ya man, maybe a bit too heavy handed in the sarcasm. Need to include an lol sometimes.
I think as long as this is a combined arms game, and you have the most adept anti air, they’re prob gonna limit your jets somewhat. There’s be no stopping you if your flight models or missiles we’re best, you had the best helis and SPAA.
The question is where would you be happy. At what level do you want the flight model to be good?
You want it f16 or f15 good? Okay sure, drop some missiles, and make pantsir not as good(compared to others). This won’t happen, so I think as a complete picture it’s fairly balanced.
It only doesn’t seem as such if you only play air, which I agree would be hard to stomach if it is that much worse. Admittedly I don’t have it yet, still grinding the ground tree atm.
Mfw
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Congrats, you hit someone not paying attention with an IR missile
I get that, and admittedly the Ground tree could use some tweaking, but it’s annoying when you shift your focus to one part of the game and can’t enjoy your main anymore. Cus in the air they are less competitive, to a rather extreme degree, and like, they’ve been better in the past. So it’s frustrating to see the fall from grace
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We had a phase with the R-27ER where it was the best missile but then Gaijin drastically overcorrected by nerfing the Mig-29 flight models, and as result, the Su-27’s on release
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I mean thats the point. Its a long range stealth missile.
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It’s not a bad missile, but like, it’s more something you’d want on top of an already good jet, but in the case of Russian jets rn, it’s one of few things it has as a pro
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That’s not how balance or realism works tho?
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Just give Rusia Su-30SM and r-77-1’s or r-77M’s, or maybe even the R-37 lol
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its not as simple as doing what you suggest
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Ah yes, balance and realism is when Russia gets everything is supposed to and no one else does. No drawbacks, only positives because balance would be getting to be the Leo’s of air. While having the ONLY viable SAM platform in the game, even if it’s still outclassed.
Realism AND balance would be having point defense patriots pinging your radar and launching missiles at jets while they’re trying to run CAP or CAS.
Nothing about this game is realistic and gaijin has openly stated things aren’t equal.
So what do you want?
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Nobody said this but you, look up what a strawman argument is. Also, air balance has literally nothing to do with ground balance as they don’t even share BRs anymore. You can’t try to say “but muh pantsir” to somebody saying ussr top tier air sucks (which it does, big time)
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I know what a straw man argument is, I’m being hyperbolic on purpose.
So tell me, what in your opinion is fixing Russian air? Is it gaining FM performance and losing maximum loadout?
Air balance has exactly things to do with ground, because it’s a combined arms game. Air tree exists in a vacuum, but those same planes come to the ground game without any difference other than a BR change. So air tree doesn’t actually exist in a vacuum.
Unless you want to restrict air tree stats to their respective game modes.
Top tier is top tier regardless of BR, your BR argument is meaningless.
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Adding the Su-30SM right now wouldn’t be too bad.
Still not PESA but better radar
TVC
Canards
Heavier
Maybe R-77-1 but if its too good, just R-77s
Adding a jet introduced in 2013 wouldn’t be bad?
I had to go read up on it real quick, but we’re basically adding modern jets at this point but only for one nation.
I could be wrong with this last part though, idk a whole lot about air trees. Maybe the other nations have newer jets too, but I know the U.S. doesn’t.
Unnerf the MiG-29s FMs, buff the Su27 FM to be more competitive regarding drag/MER. Loadout doesn’t have to be adjusted because americans already have superior missiles here…
No sir, air RB has totally separate BRs now and thus has absolutely no ties to GRB regarding balance in air to air.
You don’t make sense.
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The American F-15C is like 2006 because of HMD.
Also planes are balanced based on performance, not year of addition.
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News flash, year of introduction doesn’t have to do with performance to the regard that its some hard barrier… J-7E is a 1990s modification which was added to the game when most jets were flying in ~65-70. If you waited to add the J-7E with its year date you would be adding it after the F-15E.
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I mean if planes are balanced off performance then by definition they’d be balanced right? Since giajin implements and controls the balancing.
Unless you mean which ones they add is based off performance. In which case fair, but I still don’t like it.
As a GRB player who would benefit from better Russian planes since that is the next tree I will complete in full(the one I mostly play now)… I would like this… but for balanced gameplay in GRB I don’t like it. I don’t think it’s fair to nations that have subpar anti-air to deal with a nation having the best helis, best AA and then a completely viable CAP platform too on top of it to deal with protection of their GREAT CAS. Even if there’s arguments to be made which is better, US or RU CAS.
I don’t like the slant it creates in gameplay.
I realize I’m in an AirRB thread though now though. Still, it affects GRB because these planes getting buffs doesn’t push them up in BR it just increases their(and their nations) performance against peers in top tier without those peers receiving a similar push in performance to deal with this added threat. Which are already lacking MUCH more in their ability to deal with air threats, which quite capable CAP helped out a bunch with.