Top Tier Russian Fighters are worse than nearly all of their competition

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They did, but he’s not wrong about the fact that the SU-27’s and Mig-29’s have gimped flight performance.

Flankers are missing a large ammount of energy retention due to how the leading edge slats function in game, and while the Mig-29 is technically a accurate flight model, it is being held to a higher standard of “realism” that they have yet to apply to pretty much every jet.

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and it still has arguably one of the best flight models in the game LOL

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not all, just be equivalent… USA is always the strongest side of asymmetry

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USA has been enjoying ez-mode since the introduction of the F-14. The only thing that even challenged their dominance was the introduction of the R-27ER which was unquestionably the best fox-1 missile. However even then the russian “advantage” in BVR was counterbalanced by:

  • USA having superior radars for guiding Fox-1 missiles
  • All russian aircraft prior to the flanker only being able to carry a meager two SARH missiles while USA planes could carry a much larger supply that permitted them to spend missiles on longer ranged attacks meant to pressure the opponent into a weaker position rather than kill them outright. The larger supply simply meant that you could afford to take risks with longer shots that weren’t guaranteed kills and you weren’t hurt so badly to see a single attack waste 50% of your Fox-1 supply because the opponent managed to defeat the missile or was shot down by a teammate first.
  • SARHs were not the meta weapon because strong multipathing made it trivial to faceroll your way into the merge. This caused the meta to be close range fox-2 furballs. As for who had the better Fox2 between Russia and USA, the americans unquestionably had the far superior missile during the game’s R60M vs AIM-9L era while the topic becomes open to debate for the R-73 vs AIM-9M era but I maintain that the R-73 is better in a 1v1 duel and the 9M better at sucker punching people amidst a 16v16 furball.
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Its dumb that the Mig-29 has to be pinpoint accurate while everything else at top tier for the most part gets these fictional flight models

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You forgot to mention Su-34.It is literally a flying boat.

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And yet every moron like MatAWG is making a big deal out of it being able to pull a lot, even though it bleeds speed like crazy

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Gaijin not modeling ARHs well (in the case of the MICA it’s probably for balance but for the R-77 it’s incompetence) is something they should fix, I’m surprised they haven’t already, but it’s not really an example of bias towards the US.

The 9M might be second best, but it is much worse than the R-73; 7M is massively worse than the R-27ER; the AIM-54 can’t turn (and the C isn’t modeled correctly); and all ARHs are modeled incorrectly.

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They model missiles as consistently as they model flight performance, terribly

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no…

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The 9M is better than the R-73.

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9M and R73 are practically apples to oranges. An ideal frankenstein plane would want to carry both. The R73 is better for 1v1 duels and for making high off boresight attacks. The 9M is better for more reliably scoring longer ranged kills against opponents that have their attention focused on a different target or are otherwise overwhelmed by the information overload of a 16v16 furball.

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In sim maybe.

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Because they have an actually competent player base because you need a decent ceiling of skill to do well with the gimped planes. Most people playing America are Top Gun kiddies.

All RWRs got nerfed.

Not the thread to figure out how to dodge a Pantsir. Ask people in the SQRBs community, they’ll be happy to help because they actually know what to do.

They do that IRL because they bring full ammo all around the turret. Not because of the autoloader.

Whole thread for that bud.

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They did that just to gimp Russia really. The MiG-29S amalgamation that we have ingame, if it carries the 27ER, should also have the N019M and the R-77. Along with the R-73 that has been missing from the MiG-29 for… Since Apex Preds.

Because the whole country fell apart in 1991. There’s a huge development gap with projects that shoulda came out in the 90s that they slapped new stuff onto and then accept into service. Hence gaijin now has to cherry pick off all of the new stuff and add their weird mixed block mixed izd. planes that they add for every nation. Because its a game.

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No, it has way better range than the R-73, and it’s IRCCM is just better, because instead of shrinking it’s FOV it turns part of the seeker off once it sees flares and uses internal guidance to keep following the enemy. I apologize my terminology is a bit basic, but it gets the point across.

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MiG-29 is still missing performance

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The point of IR missiles in game is for short-range, high-G kills - otherwise you might as well just use a SARH.

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Range still matters, with the 9M you can hit further than the R-73. I mean, the difference between the R-73 and Aim-9M isn’t really that big of a deal, moreso preference.

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You are arguing with someone that has more time spent in the forum than the actual game