for some reason gaijin uses the c-5’s heaviest seen weight instead of a reported and demonstrated weight. the difference is like 6kg but that can really make or break early acceleration
RWR sensitivity = as the name suggests, it’s how sensitive it is to all radars, dependent on its irl detection range.
For example, if your RWR has 400 km range and you have it set at 100, it’ll detect every little thing it can out to that far. Likewise; if you have it set to 50, then it’ll only detect anything with radar on within 200 km.
Reinforce? but yeah do we have any aim120 bugs/buffs that are actively being considered or in the process of finding an implementation as of now.
(Side note I don’t think the community managers have that info or can at least not tell us.)
Can we also mention how the AAM-4 is actually worse than the AIM-120A/B
:( I haven’t used anything other than the 120A/B or AAM-4 due to only being top tier in japan, But I can feel the 120 is better than the AAM-4 especially at closer ranges. My mate who’s got top tier in most nations by now complains bitterly about how awful they are compared to even 120Bs
that is because its more of an equivalent to the C just as you see the AMRAAM C-5 be called a downgrade to the A/B so is the AAM-4, this is due to them assuming drag, weight and a two other factors are the only factor, ( its the only way I see the C and AA4 coming out this way.)
Anyways just be grateful that the lords at gaijin decided to give the c-5 worse pull than the AAM-4 despite being lighter and having a faster acceleration based on their implementation of the c-5 they could nerf it more technically,(they shouldn’t but who knows what’s going on inside there heads.)
Also just back to general people do mention it, but it came out with the AMRAAM’s on release, just as people forgot the PL-12 became better than the aim120 after the general fox 3 buff back then, they forgot about being mad about the AA4’s implementation its simply just been long time 1.5 nearly 2 years. no one truly forgot they just gave up caring honestly.
Anyways TLDR:
yeah it worse than the AIM120 A stat wise for the same reason as the C-5, the way gaijin models them only takes into account 4 factors that I can find, 1thrust/acceleration/burntime, 2 Drag, 3 Fin AOA if it has fins, 4 weight. not anything like centre of gravity or other key factor for HOB’s performance.
lastly although technically the stat card says its worse at shorter ranges the AA4 does pull more because it escaped being grouped with the AMRAAM’s on it ramp up to max fin AOA so has same seeker, better drag equal to that of the c-5, and can immediately pull off rail making it better in long and close than the aim120A/B at every range other than like 20-15 which kinda sucks but isn’t that much actual META range.
Anyways take aa4 over A it consistently better at the 2 ranges that matter and just don’t fight anything in the grey area of 20-15 KM literally every missile other than the c-5 is better, (but that is a very bad range to fire if you want an AMRAAM kill at low alt.)
Anyways as always check the graph first its posted so commonly that its one of the easiest things to find on any post within this forum.
Its bad, def could be buffed along the c-5 to its true performance but its not really worse than the aim120a due to pulling off the rail unlike the AMRAAM.
(I’m not perfect feel free to correct me on any point you think might be wrong.)
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This graph has become really popular of one dude, Gotta hand it to him, if it wasnt for him couldnt really show the difference between the current missiles.(Shoutout to Viridanio)
I think Fin AOA should be brought back to what it was before the nerf. Could easily allow it to close the gap to Pl12 levels(this combined jets such as GRIPEN E and Eurofighters could easily become very good imo). Which rn could be a major boost. Other than that any other buff the OP requested are just quality of life but not as much game changing unless an Angle half sensitivity is reduced, which should technically go for all missiles so they can be on the Mica’s level. What it does is in a general sense reduces POV or the amount of area around the locked target seen, which helps it see less chaff in general. Welp mica got it, cuz it i believe there was a bug report on it, so kinda sad many of these modern missiles cant get it cuz they lack pure documentation
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Imagine if people got royalties for posting images this man would be rich because of the Forum, Anyways yeah there’s quite a few buffs that obviously can be made easiest but simple is just the AMRAAM and PL12 getting fixed isn’t really balanced its just pushing a much more consistent missile into the others more dedicated niche.
As I always say the best thing we could see is all missiles getting buffed to realistic standards and either seeing better long-range maps or better ARH seekers this is what primarily holds BVR back and lets the RAFALE and now theSU30SM2 dominate. Most missiles are built to be all around with slight key strengths,(General term, I.e. MICA NG and r77-1/M) or dedicate to reliability and target tracking and reliability of hitting the target, (again pretty general term from me, for the AMRAAM and although we have much less data most likely the PL12 and other similar ones.)
Simply if they boost all there missiles and make all have lethal capability’s It will come down to the players skill and strategy more than the haha funny missile and airframe make me win by default.
If an AMRAAM player is playing well high alt, maintaining energy even with harder notching it should be able to completely defend and re-engage the target while the mica player has to close the distance instead of firing to force a sub 25 KM range where they would be in a much better position.
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Wrong
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I’d love to be wrong on this.
Thanks for your detailed explanation on why I’m wrong. Its so helpful!
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“worse”
look inside
same range but turns enormously better
https://youtube.com/shorts/3z_RqUnEip0
this is how reprehensibly atrocious the AMRAAM is, far superior missiles will be called bad while absolutely smoking the AMRAAM in all performance metrics
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People also forgetting the Derby familiy and missing of the I-Derby (PL-12 equivalent) and I-Derby ER (PL-12A)
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god damn, I thought it was the other way around. I was grinding the Japanese JAS39, after playing a heap of F-2 and swear I felt the 120B had better off the rail pull even after switching back to the F-2.
I just wish they’d revert the nerf.
There are stronger missiles around at this point, just give the AMRAAM its original performance. At least it wouldn’t be so miserable.
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the AMRAAM is just enormously worse
Fairly certain AAM-4 is just an Aim-120B that pulls better. I dont think there is a lot of difference beyond that
Within like… 3 kilometers… yes
delusional
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Tell me how its a better missile past like 3-4km?
turn performance doesn’t magically shut off past 3km
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